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Denny Klein - Fuel from Water - Is this a scam?

robinson said:
It's confusing as hell trying to track down what really happened in regards to Meyer's, as well as th rest of the "water as fuel" scams and devices and inventors and such.
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He collapsed and died in the middle of a dinner celebration with some “investors”. Of course, the popular conspiracy theory is that he was poisoned by Big Oil / the gov’t / shapeshifting reptilian moonjews – despite the coroner’s report identifying a cerebral aneurysm as the cause of death.
 
I was more interested in the dune buggy, as well as the way he had it set up. I guess the BigOilAlienOverlords destroyed it or something.

Damn aliens, they just want the atmosphere polluted because that is what their home planet is like. And they like money.
 
GOOD NEWS- CAR That RUNS on Just WATER Does Work

for all of you experts that say a Car can NEVER RUN on just plain Water, LOOK again, Japan has already started to MASS Produce them.

Now I wonder why???, the Great U.S. of America , can not seem to do what others are already doing, stop this insane dependence on OIL once and for all time. HUMM!! I guess it's called GREED!! IMO
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561&videoChannel=74

Jun. 13 - Japanese company Genepax presents its eco-friendly car that runs on nothing but water.

The car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank. The generator then releases electrons that produce electric power to run the car. Genepax, the company that invented the technology, aims to collaborate with Japanese manufacturers to mass produce it.

SOUNDBITE: Kiyoshi Hirasawa, CEO, Genepax.

Michelle Carlile-Alkhouri reports.:)
 
XYNG said:
for all of you experts that say a Car can NEVER RUN on just plain Water, LOOK again, Japan has already started to MASS Produce them.

Now I wonder why???, the Great U.S. of America , can not seem to do what others are already doing, stop this insane dependence on OIL once and for all time. HUMM!! I guess it's called GREED!! IMO
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561&videoChannel=74

Jun. 13 - Japanese company Genepax presents its eco-friendly car that runs on nothing but water.

The car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank. The generator then releases electrons that produce electric power to run the car. Genepax, the company that invented the technology, aims to collaborate with Japanese manufacturers to mass produce it.

SOUNDBITE: Kiyoshi Hirasawa, CEO, Genepax.

Michelle Carlile-Alkhouri reports.:)
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This just in: Tokyo zoo announces Invisible Pink Unicorn exhibit.
 
XYNG said:
for all of you experts that say a Car can NEVER RUN on just plain Water, LOOK again, Japan has already started to MASS Produce them.
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In other news:
The key to that system, it seems, is its membrane electrode assembly (or MEA), which contains a material that's capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction.
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Chemical reaction, eh? That would imply another consumable in addition to the claimed water.
 
Thanks for the link robinson. I read through a few of the comments in the article you linked to. A great many of the posters were most concerned about how the car looked. Another group thought the giant oil company conspiracy was going to shut down the project. There was the occasional poster that expressed a little skepticism about the whole thing but that didn't seem to be the norm.

I wondered how this announcement would affect XYNG. It doesn't seem to have so far. The stock is hanging in there at a steady .0033 dollars a share.
 
XYNG said:
for all of you experts that say a Car can NEVER RUN on just plain Water, LOOK again, Japan has already started to MASS Produce them.

Now I wonder why???, the Great U.S. of America , can not seem to do what others are already doing, stop this insane dependence on OIL once and for all time. HUMM!! I guess it's called GREED!! IMO
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561&videoChannel=74

Jun. 13 - Japanese company Genepax presents its eco-friendly car that runs on nothing but water.

The car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank. The generator then releases electrons that produce electric power to run the car. Genepax, the company that invented the technology, aims to collaborate with Japanese manufacturers to mass produce it.

SOUNDBITE: Kiyoshi Hirasawa, CEO, Genepax.

Michelle Carlile-Alkhouri reports.:)
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"Has already started to MASS produce" is a pretty liberal translation of "aims to collaborate to mass produce" isn't it?
 
Several threads here on the air powered car already. The physics just do not hack it, it seems.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-23563.html

Don Lancaster has a bit to say about this at http://tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf

There’s been some web noise lately over compressed air
vehicles. It is obvious they never talked to anyone in the
fire service who dearly would love to use compressed air for
such tasks as rescue saws, spreaders, rapid cutters, PPV vent
fans, and such. But are unable to do so because of the lousy
energy density and appalling inefficiency of compressed
air. Despite years of careful engineering.
Because of the law of diminishing returns, typical fire
departments have elected not to go from 150 to 300 Bar on
their airpack systems. Higher pressures are beyond the pale.

He also includes a table of energy densities and it shows compressed air as pretty poor, about on par with lead acid batteries (but he doesn't list the pressure he's assuming).

It doesn't sound like such a great idea to me.
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Can anyone turn SALT WATER, I said SALT WATER Into Hydrogen Fuel??

It seems no matter what I post, someone says it can not work, or we Americans will NEVER see it happen in our lifetime. Amusing to say the least.

Now I see a Inventor can now turn just plain SALT Water, YES I said SALT Water from the Ocean to run your car with.

Now, I wait for all you experts, to now post this is impossible and it is just another Scam. Lets here it Experts, BUT at least First, View the following Video for yourself, is it just another Scam or is it real and does work the way this Inventor shows, just how it really works, Enjoy!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhr9463yhtQ&feature=related
 
XYNG, the problem isn't that it "can't be done," it's that it can't be done with any degree of efficiency, nor can it be done without adding tons of crap to the water. (Which means it's not just water anymore.) You're fighting the laws of physics in this.
 
XYNG said:
It seems no matter what I post, someone says it can not work, or we Americans will NEVER see it happen in our lifetime. Amusing to say the least.

Now I see a Inventor can now turn just plain SALT Water, YES I said SALT Water from the Ocean to run your car with.

Now, I wait for all you experts, to now post this is impossible and it is just another Scam. Lets here it Experts, BUT at least First, View the following Video for yourself, is it just another Scam or is it real and does work the way this Inventor shows, just how it really works, Enjoy!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhr9463yhtQ&feature=related
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It is just another scam.
 
Psiload said:
It is just another scam.
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Well certainly energy-in will exceed energy-out, and the news report seemed completely oblivious to that aspect of the invention. Still, though, I don't think it quite fair to call it a scam. Does an RF field have any merit for hydrogen generation? If it maybe does, then the line of research is reasonable.

On the other hand, I don't know why XYNG is all excited by this. Extracting hydrogen from water is nothing new.
 
Has anybody linked to these guys?
http://www.preignitioncc.com/woj/

I suppose I shouldn't be so naive at my age, but I am still surprised by the willingness of people to make sincere pitches for products that are complete crap.

This is a site that is skeptical of the claims and gives a few details on the people behind the apparent scam:
http://www.phact.org/e/dennis.html

Apparently, this is a scam whereby dealerships are sold for selling an HAFC. The HAFC is allegedly guaranteed to increase fuel economy 50 to 100%. The dealer organization is known as the UCSA dealer group, LLC. This is a posting by what appears to be a sincere but probably gullible dealer:

http://www.getpowerclub.com/nloct07.htm
 
jsfisher said:
Well certainly energy-in will exceed energy-out, and the news report seemed completely oblivious to that aspect of the invention. Still, though, I don't think it quite fair to call it a scam. Does an RF field have any merit for hydrogen generation? If it maybe does, then the line of research is reasonable.

On the other hand, I don't know why XYNG is all excited by this. Extracting hydrogen from water is nothing new.
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It's a scam in that RunYourCarWithWater.org is using the video as a sales pitch. Their URL is plastered all over the video, and it's presented as "Water Powered Car Run On Water | Save Gas Fuel".

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/

I wouldn't accuse John Kanzius of being involved in a scam. He's just the "inventor" of a profoundly inefficient method of producing hydrogen and oxygen.
 
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