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Augusto Pinochet a Freemason

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According to this website

http://www.pepe-rodriguez.com/Masoneria/Masoneria_Pinochet.htm

Augusto Pinochet, military dictator of Chile from 1973 to 74, and president of Chile from 1974 to 1990 was a Freemason.

My elementary grasp of Spanish is able to translate this:

Augusto Pinochet ingresó a la Logia Victoria No 15, se inició el 28 de mayo del 1941, teniendo 25 años y había obtenido el grado de capitán.

Does anyone speak enough Spanish to figure out anything about the person who compiled this website (Pepe Rodriguez) and whether there might be any truth to what he claims.
 
Aquila said:
According to this website

http://www.pepe-rodriguez.com/Masoneria/Masoneria_Pinochet.htm

Augusto Pinochet, military dictator of Chile from 1973 to 74, and president of Chile from 1974 to 1990 was a Freemason.

My elementary grasp of Spanish is able to translate this:

Augusto Pinochet ingresó a la Logia Victoria No 15, se inició el 28 de mayo del 1941, teniendo 25 años y había obtenido el grado de capitán.

Does anyone speak enough Spanish to figure out anything about the person who compiled this website (Pepe Rodriguez) and whether there might be any truth to what he claims.
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This may help you:

http://translate.google.com/transla...oneria_Pinochet.htm&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=es&tl=en
 
....although this part is still a bit subtle for me in either language:

Masons and the Chilean Military Coup
"No todos los que están son y no todos los que son están" "Not all those who are and are not all those who are being"
"En todas partes se cuecen habas". "In all parts are cooked beans."
Testimonio de Rodrigo German A Testimony of a German Rodrigo
 
Aquila said:
....although this part is still a bit subtle for me in either language:

Masons and the Chilean Military Coup
"No todos los que están son y no todos los que son están" "Not all those who are and are not all those who are being"
"En todas partes se cuecen habas". "In all parts are cooked beans."
Testimonio de Rodrigo German A Testimony of a German Rodrigo
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That's the downside to a "IO-translation-service" - and my Spanish certainly sucks as well. Maybe some Spanish Members are willing to help you out - if they find this topic... :">
 
Without actually reading the page, I'll give these a shot.
Aquila said:
No todos los que están son y no todos los que son están
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Literally: Not everybody who is there is one, and not everybody who is one is there.
Not so literally: not all of group A are in group B and vice versa.
Aquila said:
"En todas partes se cuecen habas
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This just means this kind of thing happens everywhere. Whatever this kind of thing happens to be...
Aquila said:
Testimonio de Rodrigo German
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"As testified by Rodrigo German."
 
The reason I'm raising this (OMG, no pun intended, "raising" and all that, you know freemasonry), is that someone in the "Members Only" part of this forum posted to a link to the Widipedia page about Suppression of Freemasonry. But when I read the page, even though it described how Mussolini suppressed masonry, it also says:

However as the membership list of the elite P2 Masonic Lodge revealed in 1981 many Italian Fascists and Black Shirt Members later became Freemasons. The Grand Master of P2, Lucio Gelli, was an intelligence officer with the Herman Goering Division and a fervent Mussolini supporter.[14]

(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_Freemasonry )

This made me realize, that when it comes to Freemasonry, there is a lot of disinformation or half information, and one really has to be careful where one gets one's information from.
I found this point particularly true when researching Hitler's connection with Freemasonry. Most people probably know that Hitler suppressed Freemasonry and linked it to a Jewish - Freemason conspiracy for world domination, but do they also know that Hitler was obessed with the occult, and while not a member of the masons himself, several high ranking Nazi's were.

Hitler was particularly interesting in the Thule Society

http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html

and some people have suspected that he founded his eugenics beliefs on masonic based symbolism - for example he believed that the symbols of the sun and moon stood for the Aryan (dominant, pure, powerful) race, and Moon for the Jews who were inferior, respectively.
 
Giggywig said:
This just means this kind of thing happens everywhere. Whatever this kind of thing happens to be...

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I hope I'm not stereotyping, but I'm guessing the translator was Latino, because of the metaphor about beans (chili, refried etc).
 
Sure and Francisco Franco said that freemasons are trying to take over the world. Francisco Franco killed freemasons because he was paranoid. Here are some interesting stuff:

"Under the dictator General Francisco Franco, Freemasonry was outlawed in Spain on 2 March 1940.[16] Being a Mason was automatically punishable by a jail term: up to six years for those holding degrees up to the 18th, and more for Masons with higher degrees."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_Freemasonry#Spain

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/franco.html

"Spain had a Mata Hari, who spied on the Freemasons and fed covert reports to thedictatorFranciscoFrancoaboutthesecretiveorder."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20070607/ai_n19203670

http://www.gle.org/ingles/i_historia.php

Do a little research and see how many people got hurt because Franco was paranoid. There is no freemason conspiracy. So what if Augusto Pinochet was a freemason?
 
Who were these several high ranking Nazi's that were freemasons?

"in National Socialist Germany, there is no place for Freemasonry."
-Hermann Goering-

Well sounds like he was not a freemason?

Dr. Joseph Goebbels inaugurated in 1937 an "Anti-Masonic Exposition". Doesn"t sound like a freemason to me?

Oh yeah and I"m pretty sure that Josef Mengele was not a freemason. And I don"t think nobody in the Soviet Union were because Josef Stalin was pretty anti-religious.
 
moon1969 said:
Who were these several high ranking Nazi's that were freemasons?
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Both Hitler, his deputy, Rufolf Hess, and many top Nazis belonged to the Thule Society, which had its roots in Freemasonry.

The Membership of the Thule Society is closed to anybody not meeting a certain "Aryan" pedigree. Also because of it's freemason and teutonic knight roots there no women members. This is not to say that women play no role in the societies machinations but they certainly aren't a part of the decision making process. Membership in the Inner Circle is by invitation only and it rare to find a member of that august body that isn't stinking rich. part of what keeps NSDAP in line is that the Thulists pay well for the violence they require. Noted Members of the Inner Circle include: Dietrick Eckart, Baron Sebbotendorf, Enrst Rohm, Dr Krohn (who created the nazi flag) Heinrich Himmler, and Rudolph Hess,

(from http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadn...on+"free+mason"&d=OYdFmJzfRAyT&icp=1&.intl=us

While it is true that Hitler "suppressed" the Freemasons during WWII, this would be a natural thing to do during a war. Think about it, if a freemason Nazi soldier met an English or American or allied forces soldier in battle, and that soldier was also a freemason, they could both show their masonic "signs" or code words (for example a hand/arm signal or the exclamation "Is there no help for the widow's son?", and each freemason would be obligated by their initiatory oaths to do the other freemason no harm - in fact they would be obliged to help them.

Hitler was of course also very jealous of Freemasonry's kabbalistic roots - a combination of Indian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek and Hebrew wisdom, but communicated using the Hebrew alphabet and stewarded by the Jews.
 
Aquila said:
While it is true that Hitler "suppressed" the Freemasons during WWII, this would be a natural thing to do during a war. Think about it, if a freemason Nazi soldier met an English or American or allied forces soldier in battle, and that soldier was also a freemason, they could both show their masonic "signs" or code words (for example a hand/arm signal or the exclamation "Is there no help for the widow's son?", and each freemason would be obligated by their initiatory oaths to do the other freemason no harm - in fact they would be obliged to help them.
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Yes, I'm sure soldiers in a shooting war would take the time to do that to every enemy soldier they come across. Sounds like a great way to get yourself killed or captured by the first enemy soldier who is not a Freemason.
 
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