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TAM 7 Forum Party Proposal

I for one think that Ottle Rich Orman would be an excellent choice to head up the Forum Party Committee. :D

I would rather cheer from the sidelines, but I would be willing to serve if there is a dearth of otherwise qualified candidates.
 
Based on previous experience I'm not too keen on letting the hotel handle food and drinks, although I admit my experience is just one data point.
 
I don't care where the party is or who is hosting it, just so long as I don't have to wear a shirt...
 
At any rate, I suggest that any people that have complaints about the Forum Party volunteer to serve on my proposed committee.


Agreed. Talk is cheap. And I'm not complaining, mostly because I don't want to organize anything next year ;)
 
I for one think that Ottle Rich Orman would be an excellent choice to head up the Forum Party Committee. :D

Since I have now officially changed my forum name, Reed's suggestion should now read as:

I for one think that Ottle Rich Orman TsarBomba would be an excellent choice to head up the Forum Party Committee. :D

At any rate, I am beginning to surmise that my proposal for a forum party originizing committee does not have a great deal of support more than one year out from TAM 7. Perhaps the idea should be re-visited in the Spring of 2009, when the TAM juices start flowing again.
 
At any rate, I am beginning to surmise that my proposal for a forum party originizing committee does not have a great deal of support more than one year out from TAM 7. Perhaps the idea should be re-visited in the Spring of 2009, when the TAM juices start flowing again.
I'd love to help, but living in China, not sure what I'd be able to do.
 
well and perhaps we could rent a venue not at the hotel, but say where we could rent one of those cool buses to shuttle people around.

My friend threw a party inVegas and found he could rent school buses very cheaply to carry people from a hotel to the pool house/pool area he had rented. (there were about 400 people attending the party!)

Mind you, one of the people attending lived in Vegas and had the ability to rent the pool house/area in his development.....but they were totally cool with people supplying their own food, liquor and loud noise.

The one suggestion this person had was that those in charge of the party stay very very sober. Bummer...as that means no one will want to be in charge! But an indoor/outdoor facility is great as it is hard to keep any place cool enough with that many people!
 
My own thread on this last party is here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116771

As far as "negotiating a deal" goes, how much latitude does the law allow a hotel/casino in Vegas? My guess, is that there is no hope of them legally being able to rent a room and allow outside alcohol.
I am not so sure the law has anything, much, to do with it. These same hotels sometimes host wine and cheese tasting events, where lots of other people bring in their own wines and cheeses.

The problem, though, is profits. As Wolfman once informed me: They almost always refuse to host such parties, except for local groups: They don't make much profit on them, but they feel "good will" towards the local area will afford them more business in the future. And, stuff like that.

Hmmm... maybe someone who lives locally can negotiate something....


ETA: As someone who doesn't drink alcohol, I might volunteer as one of the "sober organizers", as well.
 
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I spent two years working in the hotel industry (four and five star hotels). And from that perspective, trying to run a party like those that have been held in the past just doesn't seem very likely.

i know that the forum party started off as more or less an informal get-together, something fun to do, and to get forumites together. It is supposed to be fairly free-flowing, spontaneous, and cheap. You go whatever time you want to go, you leave whatever time you want to leave. If you can afford to put some money into the pot, you will...if you can't, that's okay.

I'd suggest that, with the numbers we are dealing with now, we're gonna' have to change our thinking. Hotel rooms aren't gonna' cut it...and I'd suggest we should stop looking at that option. Unless we're planning on renting the Presidential Suite at the top of a hotel, and taking over the entire floor for ourselves, it just won't work.

Instead, we need to be looking at renting spaces -- convention halls, or places that cater to wedding parties, for example -- that are off the main strip. Places that we can have all to ourselves, but at fairly minimal cost. Places that tend to be busy during the day (hosting conventions, wedding parties, etc.), but not in the evening, so will be glad for the opportunity to make some extra money renting the space out, without expecting us to buy our food and drinks from them.

And we'll need to look into renting buses (which actually is not that expensive on a per-person basis), and selling tickets for everyone that comes (not hugely expensive, but enough to be sure of covering basic costs such as rental of the space, and transportation).

As mentioned above, this will no longer be a thing of just telling people a time and a place...it will take a committee of people to formally organize it, and put everything together. I know that some people will object to this...but from my perspective, it is a choice either between this, or just stopping the forum party altogether.
 
I agree with Wolfman.

The forum party has grown, as has TAM, and things need to change to meet the new conditions.

One thing to consider is that this will not be a "sanctioned JREF event" any more than the cigar/scotch/pyjama parties were, or the previous Forum parties. So, the "committe" must operate as some organization separate from JREF.

I am thinking back to my experiences with hall parties. There is typically some organization that rents the hall, whether it's a ball team, or a non-profit organization, or a wedding party that gets the liquor license and other permits, and pays for the hall rental, and is liable for damages/cleanup/bartending/etc. I would imagine it would be relatively similar in Las Vegas.

With a hall party, attendees buy tickets. Sometimes, it's up front, and sometimes it's at the door. People typically can't bring in their own booze, but nothing prevents the group hosting the party to sell liquor/pop/food at cost, or below cost. Again, regulations will need to be looked into.

Perhaps the hotel itself would be able to meet the above needs, or perhaps something off site will have to be pursued.

Heck, maybe someone wants to get married and coincidentally have a wedding reception/dance/social. It is Vegas, after all!

Just some thoughts off the top of my head.
 
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Why do we have to have a place per se? While it lacked a dance floor, we seemed to do just fine at the Garden bar every night Wednesday through Sunday. Is there a similar venue that can accomodate large numbers at South Park?
 
Why do we have to have a place per se? While it lacked a dance floor, we seemed to do just fine at the Garden bar every night Wednesday through Sunday. Is there a similar venue that can accomodate large numbers at South Park?

Essentially for ritualistic group bonding and fellowship reaffirmations.
 
Essentially for ritualistic group bonding and fellowship reaffirmations.

Right, which answers my question but not my comment. There was plenty of bonding and fellowship at the improptieu gatherings at the Garden Bar. Sunday afternoon I decided to pass on The Gun Store trip since I was afraid I'd spend $500 I could no longer afford so I headed there by myself and met up with Al an older non-forumite who has been to all the Meetings and was on the cruise with me. Except for a trip to the Peppermill for dinner I wasn't away from that area until 12:30amish and never lacked for attendees to hang out and socialize with.

After I ditched the Forum party I was probably the first "refugee" to head there Saturday night and sat by myself for about 20 minutes before others started trickling in. I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but I enjoyed the environment more there than in the suite and, despite many people blocking a direct path between myself and the mens room, had an easier time cutting a swath through the assembled forumites when my prostate said, "go now or else" than I think I would have in a location with 1 co-ed restroom.

I guess my question still remians, what, apart from self-provided booze and snacks, is the advantage of an enclave when a perfectly good - and free - public area exists (assuming one does at Southpointe)?
 
From what I've found here, there are two bars, Del Mar Lounge, and the Showroom Lounge. I'm sure one of these will become the unofficial meeting point at TAM 7.
 
I've got no problems with kicking in cash for party donations, regardless of the venue. All I ask is that once the initial donation has been made, the liquor be free-flowing and unlimited.

once more, i find i can not possibly disagree with you...
 
My thoughts on the forum party:

Like Saganite, it's my opinion that once an initial expense has been made (be it in the form of a ticket, dollar bills in a hat, or BYOB), drinking should simply be a matter of moving towards the bar-area and getting your glass (re)filled with whatever looks tasty.

I fear that anything organised at a hotel is going to involve the hotel's catering department (in other words, either really expensive per person, or a cash bar).
I think it was Stimpy who said that, during the official JREF reception, he went to the cash bar to ask for a diet coke, and the bartender said: "You know, it's $6, do you really want it?" (i.e. "hint, hint, you can probably go to a vending machine on the same floor and buy a bottle twice the size for half the price).

Other things to consider for the party are:

Walking distance from the hotel. How far that is may vary from person to person, but I think anything under a 10-15 minute stroll should be fine for most people.

Bring your own booze. We've got people from all over the world bringing food and drink from their local neck of the woods. Why settle for Budweiser, J&B and peanuts when you've got people bringing Belgian beer, Blue label and home-made beef jerky? Not to mention the chocolate challenge from previous years, and other similar "contests".

And also dancing. There was none this year because it was already 150 degrees in the room, and no space for it either. And for all its merits, the Garden Bar didn't have music (none that I could hear anyway, apart from the incessant ringing and clanging of the slot machines).
 
Am I the only One??

Hi, I'm Kitt.

I'm a Forumite, and I don't get drunk. I do occasionally have alcohol--I even put in an appearance at the Garden Bar one eveing (and if the delightful Canadian couple who shared the table with me would please let me know who they are, I'd love your e-mail!)...but I'm uncomfortable with people getting hammered. Especially with large groups of drunk folks, even friends.

Anyone want to work on a Not Getting Smashed Party for TAM 7? I volunteer to help organize. If we don't need access to large amounts of booze; if people aren't so drunk as to get rudely loud; if folks can actually Remember Their Manners, it might not be so hard to find a location. It might even be easy to find a location.

Please don't take this as a personal slam on anyone's idea of How to Party. I just think we could have an event where drinking was not the central event, and still have a great time.

I would love to hear back from folks, thanks, Kitto
 

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