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Holocaust

mrbaracuda said:
Is it correct that it's three books by the way?
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Yes. Three volumes. I bought my set in Stuttgart in 1997... it's definitely subsidised, too.

The original 1961 English edition was one volume, and the 1985 2nd edition was more or less one very fat volume, but then Hilberg added some extras for the 1991 German version of the 1985 English 2nd edition... and added more for the 3 volume 'definitive version' he completed a few years before he died last summer.

Given the way prices have gone with hardbacks for academic books, all it can take is a reduced 'library only' type print run and they go right out of ordinary consumers' reach. It's like trying to buy two volumes from the publisher Praeger, whose works always used to cost £50 in the mid-90s, when other hardbacks were £30. That's $100 and $60 these days...

Some German academic hardbacks are an eyewatering 79 euro these days.
 
DID SIX MILLION REALLY DIE? by Richard Harwood
www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd01.html
LECTURES ON THE HOLOCAUST by Germar Rudolf
http://vho.org/GB/Books/loth/ The author is currently in prison in "democratic" Germany for writing this book. There are other titles with revisionist/skeptic details at the following link -
http://vho.org/GB/Books/HHS.html
As for Elie Wiesel and his book NIGHT this is nothing but a pack of lies. When he was in Auschwitz, a supposed hell on earth, Wiesel had the opportunity to stay behind and be liberated by the Soviet red army or retreat with his Nazi captors. He went with the Nazis! For the lowdown on the pathological liar Wiesel see -
www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml
 
Mondial said:
LECTURES ON THE HOLOCAUST by Germar Rudolf
http://vho.org/GB/Books/loth/ The author is currently in prison in "democratic" Germany for writing this book.
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Why "democratic" instead of democratic - or just nothing? We got this law, as bad as it might be, but you got to live with the consequences when you say the holocaust is a "gigantic lie" and base this on calling Dachau a holiday camp or say you can't burn bodies next to a swamp in Auschwitz and therefore the mass murder there never happened. :rolleyes:

Nick Terry said:
Ah, if only I could collect on the recommendation fees...
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Aaw, poor you. :rub::D
 
mrbaracuda said:
Why "democratic" instead of democratic - or just nothing? We got this law, as bad as it might be, but you got to live with the consequences when you say the holocaust is a "gigantic lie" and base this on calling Dachau a holiday camp or say you can't burn bodies next to a swamp in Auschwitz and therefore the mass murder there never happened. :rolleyes:
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Germar Rudolf admitted his real aims in a 1990 'strategy paper':

"We have no problem with calling belief in the Holocaust or the gas chambers the central crux of all German and even international politics. All dogmas of postwar politics are based on it liberalism, tolerance, parliamentary democracy, equality of men, multi-culture etc. With it the anti-fascist club becomes a deadly weapon, all bigger problems are declared taboos and factored out (democracy, national identity, culture, policies regarding women, foreigner issues etc.). He who destroys 'Auschwitz' destroys this order of the world (at least in the heads of people). This fact is recognized only by few, and of these in turn only few favor the destruction of the myth, even if they consider it justified (Golo Mann: Auschwitz is desirable under popular-educational aspects)."
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This exposes very neatly the anti-democratic, anti-constitutional aims of 'Holocaust revisionists' in Germany, and also their total misunderstanding of postwar history and politics.

One hardly knows where to begin with the idiocy of the idea that "Auschwitz" is somehow the foundation of the post-1945 western world or even of post-1945 Germany.
 
If the personal level is interesting, after Anne Frank, one might try Primo Levi's two memoirs (in the US, they're published as Survival in Auschwitz, and The Reawakening.

I found The Warsaw Diaries of Adam Czerniakov pretty interesting too.
 
Mondial said:
DID SIX MILLION REALLY DIE? by Richard Harwood
www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd01.html
LECTURES ON THE HOLOCAUST by Germar Rudolf
http://vho.org/GB/Books/loth/ The author is currently in prison in "democratic" Germany for writing this book. There are other titles with revisionist/skeptic details at the following link -
http://vho.org/GB/Books/HHS.html
As for Elie Wiesel and his book NIGHT this is nothing but a pack of lies. When he was in Auschwitz, a supposed hell on earth, Wiesel had the opportunity to stay behind and be liberated by the Soviet red army or retreat with his Nazi captors. He went with the Nazis! For the lowdown on the pathological liar Wiesel see -
www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml
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the holocaust is a fact. take it to "conspiracy theories".
 
Should we be worried that someone is aparently asking for a book on how to kill ~6 million people.
 
SuperSquirrel said:
I was wondering if anyone knew any good books on the holocaust. I've been wanting to learn more about it but I'm not sure what books to try on it.
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While it isn't a book "on the Holocaust", Viktor Frankl's Man's Search For Meaning is centred on his experiences in concentration camps as a psychiatrist and an inmate. Possibly the most remarkable part of the book is his observation that there were both decent and despicable people among both guards and inmates. He claimed that decency is independent of culture, upbringing or living conditions.

He also worked to prevent suicide and depression in one of the most unlikely environments one could imagine and concluded that both conditions are largely influenced by individual choice.
 
Mondial said:
DID SIX MILLION REALLY DIE? by Richard Harwood
www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd01.html
LECTURES ON THE HOLOCAUST by Germar Rudolf
http://vho.org/GB/Books/loth/ The author is currently in prison in "democratic" Germany for writing this book. There are other titles with revisionist/skeptic details at the following link -
http://vho.org/GB/Books/HHS.html
As for Elie Wiesel and his book NIGHT this is nothing but a pack of lies. When he was in Auschwitz, a supposed hell on earth, Wiesel had the opportunity to stay behind and be liberated by the Soviet red army or retreat with his Nazi captors. He went with the Nazis! For the lowdown on the pathological liar Wiesel see -
www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml
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I also recommend THE HOAX OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY by Arthur Butz http://vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/
If you get tired of reading books ONE THIRD OF THE HOLOCAUST is a video series explaining the holocaust skeptic position -
www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com
 
The OP asked for books, but movies have also been suggested. A couple of miniseries available on Amazon are Holocaust and Skokie. The latter is about an attempted American Nazi Party rally in the late '60s in Skokie, Illinois, home to a large number of concentration camp survivors.
 
mrbaracuda said:
So I started yesterday with the first book of the three and I was surprised that it's talking about five million Jews and not the six millions one always hears about.
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It's very difficult to get an accurate number. Documentation is sparse and contradictory. However, there seems to be a kind of consensus on the "six million" figure from what little I've read.

Also, there were lots of other people killed - not just jews; if somebody might have been jewish but was killed for some other reason, do you count them among the six million? What about people in camps who died of disease/starvation after the nazis retreated? What about somebody who was summarily executed because some nazi on the spot thought they were jewish, whereas in fact they weren't? What if multiple sources disagree on the population of some jewish village before it was wiped off the map? What about people who died after being recaptured by soviets? It would be almost impossible to count "from the bottom up". However, counting from the "top down" has just as many flaws...

But why get hung up on it? Several million jews were killed - and so were several million non-jews. That's an appalling atrocity regardless of the exact number.
 
mrbaracuda said:
So I started yesterday with the first book of the three and I was surprised that it's talking about five million Jews and not the six millions one always hears about.
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Yeah... so it turned out that, base villains that they were, the Nazis didn´t keep meticulous records on all their crimes for the benefit of their enemies after the war. Inconsiderate of them, but unfortunately true.
 
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