Lord Language Resurrection.

[Complexity]

""Before you provide any more details on how you propose to implement your solution, please identify the problem"

To force all the world to believe that triresurrection phenomena brings trilingual persons’ global world were Holy Resurrected Language will be more and more dominate in future and that this post monolingual world will be really the world of all people intellectual, creative and spirit comfort.

On behalf of all the world, go sit quietly in the corner and think about Welsh mutations.

No Hebrew for you today. Bad boy!

Utter nonsense served up with arrogance par excellence.

 

[Complexity]

"99%??? How many languages do you think there are in the world???"

Several thousands, but the most of people will chose in trilingual pocket one of those languages: English, Mandarin, Arabic, Spanish, Bible Hebrew, French, German, Italian, Latin, Russian.

Err... no.

There are excellent reasons to learn English, Mandarin, or Spanish as a second language.

Arabic would be on that list if there if the nature of the cultural divide weren't such that people are afraid to bridge it. It will be on the list some day.

French and German are spoken by large numbers of people; Italian less so (though it sounds beautiful). Russia is simply too tacky to communicate with. All of them are on the down escalator.

Hebrew - no reason to learn it at all. I suppose if you're stuck in a cultural rut, it's an ok hobby language, but it really has absolutely nothing to offer the rest of us.

Your beliefs would embarrass an insane person.

 

[wollery]

Let's add Hindi, Urdu, Gujarati, Portuguese (the language of the world's 5th most populous country), Dutch (still spoken widely in many parts of Africa), Berber (a common lingua franca in North Africa) and if we're going to be using ancient languages, why not Greek, Welsh or middle English (teach everyone to read the Canterbury tales in the original)!

 

[Complexity]

Absolutely. Greek is beautiful, was spoken and written by an interesting group of people, and has a significant literature to offer.

Welsh is a language I'd very much like to learn. I wouldn't consign it to the ancient languages yet, in spite of the best efforts of the English to kill it off.

Hebrew isn't even in the top 1000.

 

[ddt]

LDutch (still spoken widely in many parts of Africa),

You're wrong on that count. Dutch isn't spoken at all in Africa. Many people in South Africa speak Afrikaans, though - which is a descendant of 17th C. Dutch but a separate language.

 

[bobrayner]

Welsh is a language I'd very much like to learn. I wouldn't consign it to the ancient languages yet, in spite of the best efforts of the English to kill it off.

Hebrew isn't even in the top 1000.

Doesn't Welsh gets subsidies and support from Westminster these days?

That's despite the fact that its value is more as a welsh-nationalist symbol or a historic leftover than as a serious means of interpersonal communication (well, pick any two people in the UK at random - what are the chances that both will speak English fluently vs the chances that both will speak Welsh fluently?)

There are very few Dutch speakers in Africa. There is Afrikaans; it's a different language, though related, and it's no longer the dominant language in South Africa, let alone other countries in Africa.

I'm reliably informed by my wife (whose mother tongue is Afrikaans) that there are big differences between Afrikaans and Dutch; but if you get the hang of a couple of consonant shifts &c and you keep an eye out for lots of loanwords, then it's relatively easy to read between the two.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Absolutely. Greek is beautiful, was spoken and written by an interesting group of people, and has a significant literature to offer.

Welsh is a language I'd very much like to learn. I wouldn't consign it to the ancient languages yet, in spite of the best efforts of the English to kill it off.

Hebrew isn't even in the top 1000.

Well, maybe higher than 1000, but definitely not in my top 50. If I was looking for languages which would allow me to read texts in their originals, I'd have ancient Greek, Latin, Middle English, Middle French, and a few of the near eastern and Indian dialects (ye olden ones) in there and then Hebrew.

But, all of those would be well behind the group mentioned above by Wollery, and a few others which are expanding (Russians are traveling in Asia in very large numbers... Bahasa Indonesian has become the lingua franca of the country and there are more Indonesians than there are Brasilians or Russians, by the way.

I have to admit to looking that up. I wasn't sure if the population of Indo was so high, but it's fourth (behind China, India, and USA). What I noticed was that numbers 2, 6, and 7 are, in order, India-Pakistan-Bangladesh... If you totalled the population within the sub-continent, it's several hundred million higher than China. So, for practicality sake, I'd list (in order of importance in moving around and conducting commerce or conversation), my purely subjective list

English
Mandarin
Spanish (not just population but geographic scope)
The Indian and Sub-Continent Languages
Russian
Portugese
Bahasa Indonesian
German
French
Berber
Any language that comes to the fore in sub-Saharan Africa
Farsi
Lao (many Thais and Vietnamese speak one or another dialect)
That cool African "click" language
Pillory
A second and/or third Chinese Dialect (Shanghainese, Cantonese, etc..)
Esperanto
... and then start looking at the classical languages.

 

[ddt]

I'm reliably informed by my wife (whose mother tongue is Afrikaans) that there are big differences between Afrikaans and Dutch; but if you get the hang of a couple of consonant shifts &c and you keep an eye out for lots of loanwords, then it's relatively easy to read between the two.

They're close enough that the language barrier is very low indeed.

I once attended a Dutch congress where some of the speakers spoke Afrikaans; no problem.

A couple of years ago, there was a row in Dutch health care. There was a shortage of nurses, and hospitals tried to specifically hire South-African nurses (where there was an even bigger shortage).

 

[Complexity]

Doesn't Welsh gets subsidies and support from Westminster these days?

That's despite the fact that its value is more as a welsh-nationalist symbol or a historic leftover than as a serious means of interpersonal communication (well, pick any two people in the UK at random - what are the chances that both will speak English fluently vs the chances that both will speak Welsh fluently?)

I'm not up on what England is currently doing to the Welsh. I have read about England's past crimes against the Welsh.

English misbehavior is irrelevant to the Welsh language and literature.

 

[drkitten]

We have to teach children to teach languages and almost everything else in virtual environment that will give in future even more attractive all languages communication environment to the children, than a real environment.

Except that, as far as we know, teaching languages "in [a] virtual environment" simply doesn't work.

Heinlein wrote "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."

It is the task of High Tech communication companies to make every place interactively accessible to every person.
Today using Internet, computer, camera and microphone you can repair the car according my consultations, and I am in Negev, and you are in Chicago.
Ten minutes, and your car will be OK!

Yes. That's marvelous. BUT THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR LANGUAGE ACQUISITION.

Heck, I'm typing right now from upper Nowhereistan (Wi-Fi is marvelous), but that's still not sufficient to let the children around me learn English natively. Because typing on a computer or watching English videotapes doesn't teach English.

"There are remote parts of the United States where this is impossible, much less most of the Third World."

In all points of the world it is absolutely really possible and needful to form native multilingual children.

Absolutely. All you need is to fly a person to whatever point of the world you're interested in. If you're in Finland and want to teach children Kiswahili natively, fly in a native.

But "audio and video communication" is not sufficient.

Look at modern soldier or security person.
He is in audio and video contact with his commander and his group and can be extremely physically active in the same time.

The same sort equipment will have every child that will weight mobile phone.
So he can play active games, and in the same time be in audio and video communication with his trilingual environment all over the world.

Which will not help.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Please, identify the problem for which you think you have a solution

Commonly the problem looks as the problem of really free choice of the most impotent human individual values.
Every world person has to look at his pockets of natively known languages, places of life, places of work, citizenship, professionals, friends, all kinds of partners, religious, cultures, ideologists, philosophies, national identities, ways of life and all others important values and ask himself if he was really free in choosing all of them.

The answer of all of us will be – NO!
I know conceptually and actually how to build the global world were the answer at this question of most people will be YES!

The fundament of this great building is children trilingualisation according their parents free choice.
All others school subjects have to be the choice of their parents till the age of 13, and after this age the man is responsible for all his important life choices.

Please, identify the problem for which you think you have a solution

Commonly it is a problem to prove that good global multicultural world with mono cultural people’ total domination – the situation we have now is not achievable.
Really Effective and progressive world is the world of equally rights multicultural persons.

Multicultural person is first of all multilingual and then multi professional, multi citizenship, multi religious, multi ideological and so on person.

So we have to begin to form the multicultural persons in their childhood by teaching them three languages natively.

Please, identify the problem for which you think you have a solution

The problem is how:
1To make clerical people all over the world to believe in triresurrection phenomena and consequently to teach their children the Holy Resurrected Language of Holy Resurrected State of Holy Christ Resurrection and of God given Torah to Moshe and Koran to Muhammad.
2To make secular people all over the world to believe that trilingual every world child education according his parents three languages free choice is practically achievable and is the only way to build a really global multicultural world of multicultural people – much more advanced world than today’s multicultural world of monolingual people were English natively speaking monolinguals are dominated too much.
3 To prove that every language natively speaking monolingual people are treat for the multilingual world progress, especially natively speaking only English, and only Hebrew, and only Arabic monolinguals because their great world influence.
4To prove that the world urges global forbidden of children monolingual education.


Foolmewunz,

We speak about different thinks.
You speak about people with two or three so called mother tongue people because bilingual or trilingual environment were those people lived in their childhood.

And I speak about possibility to construct this trilingual environment to every child, using his parents’ free choice of three mother tongue languages to his child.

Let us formulate the same question differently.
Choose three languages from list of all languages you want to give your child as mother tongue.

To design the world were a man really can make choice of not only one side from the most important alternatives but all sides or part of them.

English
Mandarin
Spanish (not just population but geographic scope)
The Indian and Sub-Continent Languages
Russian
Portugese
Bahasa Indonesian
German
French
Berber

What about Arabic the language of Holy Book for 1.5 billions of Muslims?
What about Aramaic – the language of Talmud and Christ pitching, that is very important for 2 billions of Christians?
What about Buddhist tractate language - Pali?
What about Latin, Coiner and Church - Slavonic?
When clerical people will begin to choose those languages to their children, many of them will surely choose Bible Hebrew too.

 

[wollery]

The problem is, that most parents will choose not to teach their children any other language.

 

[bruto]

Nationalcosmo, I didn't bother to quote your last post, but your problem is that what you have just said is a total oxymoron. You say the problem is that people have not chosen their culture freely, and then propose an elaborate scheme by which parents will be induced to impose your linguistic theory on their children.

None of us are free to choose the culture we're born into, but we're free to choose how to deal with it, and whether to maintain it. "To design a world..." is not a formula for either freedom or true diversity.

 

[six7s]

Commonly the problem looks as the problem of really free choice of the most impotent human individual values...
<snip/>
Commonly it is a problem to prove that good global multicultural world with mono cultural people’ total domination – the situation we have now is not achievable.
<snip/>
The problem is how:
1 To make clerical people all over the world to believe in triresurrection phenomena ...
2 To make secular people all over the world to believe that trilingual every world child education...
3 To prove that every language natively speaking monolingual people are treat for the multilingual world progress...
4 To prove that the world urges global forbidden of children monolingual education.

Thanks for at least trying

Alas, I suspect you do not understand my request for you to identify the problem for which you think you have a solution

Having read most (if not all) of this thread from the outset, I suspect that I was not alone in inferring - from your somewhat unintelligible opening post - that your 'problem' is/was: The world doesn't accept my woo as the one true woo

However, this does not gel with what has transpired:

• That 'problem' has been thoroughly debunked

• You persist in elaborating/modifying your proposed 'solution'

Hence my repeated request: Please, identify the problem for which you think you have a solution


I have a hunch you don't understand my question, in particular my use of the word 'problem', by which I mean that a problem statement describes a phenomenon that is discrete; separate and distinct, simple and non-complicated. N.B. Such problems often have multiple solutions, which are likely to vary in terms of effectiveness and efficiency - depending upon the perspective of an observer

So, now that - hopefully - you understand what I mean by 'problem' and 'problem statement', I ask again: Please, identify the problem for which you think you have a solution

And... yet another reposting:

Oh, and as you (conveniently?) ignored my questions from the other day, I'll simply repost them:

Punished? How? and By whom?

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They will play on computer, being in three languages environments.
Today it is a very cheep global project and parents all over the world will not pay for it.
<snip/>
using computer distant communication to teach children three languages natively.

OK... for the sake of argument, lets assume for a moment that you're right and "computer distant communication" can be used to teach children another language

We both, obviously, have access to computers
I have a child willing to learn
You speak another language

So, how about we put your idea to the test?

Some sample phrases, just to get us started, that surely you will be able to translate into your Holy Resurrected Language:

• I'm hungry
• I want to play outside
• I don't want to play outside because there are demons in the garden

And, assuming that works, how about some questions that grown ups might want to ask our newly exalted authorities in the Holy Resurrected Language:

• When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9).
  
  The problem is my neighbours.
  
  They claim the odour is not pleasing to them.
  
  Should I smite them?

• I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.
  
  In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
  

• I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24).
  
  The problem is, how do tell?
  
  I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

• Leviticus 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations.
  
  A friend of mine claims that this applies to Samoans, but not Australians.
  
  Can you clarify?
  
  Why can't I own Australians?

• I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath.
  
  Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.
  
  Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

• A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
  
  I don't agree.
  
  Can you settle this?

• Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight.
  
  I have to admit that I wear reading glasses.
  
  Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

• Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus19:27.
  
  How should they die?

• I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean.
  
  May I still play rugby if I wear gloves?

• My uncle has a farm.
  
  He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).
  
  He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot.
  
  Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them, as per Leviticus 24:10-16?
  
  Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Leviticus 20:14)

 

[bruto]

WRT to the feasibility of using a computer to learn languages: Nationalcosmopolitan might consider how little success he has had using that resource to learn effective English, and extrapolate from there.

 

[jimbob]

Bruto, as I have said before, it mightn't be the qualtiy of English, but of thinking. Nationalcosmopolitan might be equally competent in his/her own language.

 

[six7s]

Maybe my last post made his(?) "computer distant communication" device implode?

 

[jimbob]

No: Not your last post... His last post made mine:

Foolmewunz,

We speak about different thinks.

Actually, that is signature material

 

[six7s]

Actually, that is signature material

Cool game

Mind if I play too?

 

[jimbob]

Be Nationalcosmopolitan's guest...

National, yes.

But he(?) redefines "cosmopolitan"