Obama is making a lot of mistakes and his biggest is believing his own press. He really believes he has already won this election. He may very well win but what the press gives it can take away at the drop of a hat. His own actions are helping his opponents define him as naive and arrogant. He needs to stop running for president of the world and start connecting to those that will actually have a vote in November.
Obama Changes Presidential Seal
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Obama is making a lot of mistakes and his biggest is believing his own press. He really believes he has already won this election. He may very well win but what the press gives it can take away at the drop of a hat. His own actions are helping his opponents define him as naive and arrogant. He needs to stop running for president of the world and start connecting to those that will actually have a vote in November.
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The great seal, the seal of the President, the seal of the Vice President and Obama's seal all have eagles at the center in an open wing, spread leg, tail feathers spread, looking off to the left position.
All have olive branches in the left claw and arrows in the right.
All have a symbol (in the official case a flag or shield with a flag, in that of Obama's case his some sort of campaign logo) covering the body of the eagle.
Both have a statement surrounding the inner circle. In one case it says "Seal of the President of the United States". In the other it has "Obama For President" and gives his internet web address.
The great seal and Vice Presidential seals have the latin E Pluribus Unum above the eagle. Barack's seal has the latin Very Possumus.
That looks like a likeness to me. And guess what ... it's clearly meant to be a likeness.
Hey check it out! Those flag T-shirts don't have 50 stars on them! Oh no! What shall we do! So insulting to America!
You might have been right once. In, say, 1850.
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Jerome's Copyrighted Definition of an anti-American:
- Has constructed a seal of his own design with the splayed eagle on it.
- Doesn't wear the True Patriot™'s de rigueur lapel pin (even when he sometimes wears a suit).
- I even got an email today that decried his silly explanation about why he didn't have his hand over his heart the one time they shot a picture during a rendition of the Star Spangled Banner. Of course, turns out a conservative comic in Arizona actually wrote it and some wag put it in Obama's mouth, enbedded it in a letter of outrage by a phony USAF General and emailed it to all his Republican friends, who posted it on at least 40 different websites.
And this is how you define an American? Even Joe McCarthy wouldn't recognize it.
Symbols be damned. 'Tis predictable who thinks it's cruft and who doesn't, even down to ... me. Must be election year.
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Ahhhh ... can't you tell we're just pulling your possum tail.
Or is that tweaking your possum whiskers?
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The great seal, the seal of the President, the seal of the Vice President and Obama's seal all have eagles at the center in an open wing, spread leg, tail feathers spread, looking off to the left position.
All have olive branches in the left claw and arrows in the right.
All have a symbol (in the official case a flag or shield with a flag, in that of Obama's case his some sort of campaign logo) covering the body of the eagle.
Both have a statement surrounding the inner circle. In one case it says "Seal of the President of the United States". In the other it has "Obama For President" and gives his internet web address.
The great seal and Vice Presidential seals have the latin E Pluribus Unum above the eagle. Barack's seal has the latin Very Possumus.
That looks like a likeness to me. And guess what ... it's clearly meant to be a likeness.
I see your point but I think what you say here describes a resemblance, not a likeness. Would you in any way mistake the Obama version for the actual Seal of the President? I couldnt. Its colors are all wrong and the round shield versus the usual one in the middle of the seal looks completely different.
Sure it resembles the seal like play money resembles real money but it's not a likeness like counterfeit money is.
In fact it looks more like the VPs seal than the Presidents at least as far as coloring goes.
Whitehouse.org actuall uses the right colors and has the right words written around the outer rim but has a vulture instead of an eagle. The result is: resembles it but is not a likeness of it.
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Definition of likeness:
http://www.brainyquote.com/words/li/likeness184964.html "The state or quality of being like; similitude; resemblance; similarity; as, the likeness of the one to the other is remarkable."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/likeness
Sure are a lot of definitions using resemblance to define likeness.
"Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States,"
The point is that that plaque is just another example of Obama presuming a bit too much. It is a gift to his opposition to add to a long list of examples of arrogance and will be used as such. He writes Mccain's campaign ads for him.
As one who oppose him I am grateful for his help but am stunned that his supporters think this is no big deal. I can only conclude that they have no idea of what these kinds of things can have on an election. Think Dukakis in his tank or Kerry on his wind surf board. It is manna from heaven to opposition campaign strategists.
Sure are a lot of definitions using resemblance to define likeness.
"Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States,"
Sorry, only one definition matters:
3. A pictorial, graphic, or sculptured representation of something; an image.
It is not a pictorial, graphic, or sculptured representation of the seal. Period. That's the meaning it is being used in, legally.
Sure, you can deliberately misread the law, but the intent wasn't to disallow people from using anything that looks similar to the seal (see: 1st amendment) it was to stop people from using the likeness of the seal.
I am so tired of self-rightous Republicans who are all up in arms the minute a democrat does something they don't like.
Obama isn't presuming jack. He's running for president. That gives him pretty good odds that he might be president. Using a symbol that reminds people that he's running for president when he's running for president isn't presumption.
As for McCain, Obama doesn't write his ads for him. The usual suspects in the neocon insanity machine do, and those spin doctors have been practicing on their tube-fed babies so long that they have no idea how to communicate with people who aren't buying their pap. I think Americans have woken up to that garbage, and by and large when McCain loses I think it will be taken as the last dying cry of that Republican claptrap machine.
I mean this battle scripts itself. On one side Obama - young, principled, different. On the other side McCain - old, pandering, and always has that air of slight senility. Why was he singing "bomb bomb Iran?" Was it a bad attempt at a joke, or did he just forget it wasn't 1960?
It's out with the old, in with the new. The old has gotten us into a 3 trillion dollar war, economic instability, a plunging dollar, and the worst privacy and legal crises of the past few decades.
So lets face it, all your outrage is coming to naught. You're part of an old guard that has done nothing but harm to this country, and the ideals and beliefs of the George Bush presidency will be swept out like any other trash. Look at how badly the conservative war machine has screwed up recently. "Baby Mama" "terrorist fist pump" they're trying the same old tactics they did in 2000 and 2004, and they're failing, because people have wised up. That old guard is dead.
So continue to moralize and sit on your high horse and cry. I'll laugh, because the next 4 years are going to be very bitter for you.
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Since he isn't president YET, then it is very much a presumption for him to use something that is meant to look like the presidential seal.
Even if he's going to win, heck, even if he HAS won already, he isn't the president until he gets sworn in. And until that time, he should NOT be using the presidential seal or any variation thereof, even if it is just a mock-up (or mockery).
It's like calling yourself "Doctor", on the grounds that you've applied to medical school.
"Bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran."
Yep... that is planning.
I notice your ranting about Obama's arrogance wasn't too full of emotion (if it was a speech, the front three rows would have needed rain gear) but a defense is. So few responses, so funny when McCain loses.
It's a representation of the goal. As such, it is more like calling yourself "Soon-to-be-doctor." Which is hardly presumptuous. Or, in this case, inaccurate.
No I am saying that there is a widespread perception of Obama's arrogance. If you don't believe that then you are helping my side. Kerry was supposed to be a shoe-in in 2004 and yet he is still in the Senate because of the perception of arrogance of him and his wife. Keep it up.
I think you wanted to say "I want to create the misbegotten impression that Obama is arrogant".
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx
Nice try but Hillary has already got that one covered. Ask her supporters. You don't have to worry about Republicans, what you have to worry about is the 25% of Hillary voters that have mobilized against Obama.
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SezMe
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Exactly! What could be more valuable in judging the qualifications for the presidency than Dukakis in a tank or Kerry on a surf board? Foreign policy? Naw. Regressive tax policy? Naw. Domestic economic policy? Naw.
Thanks, Texas, for highlighting what issues are really important in a presidential campaign.
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Uh, Texas, you want to state for the record what the date of that poll is? Would you like to cite some highly significant political events that have taken place since then? Would you like to speculate on the effects of those events might have on a similar poll taken today?
No? OK.
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Anyone who considers not wearing a flag pin to be a sign of anti-Americanism really doesn't understand Americanism.
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There is video. He is disrespecting the flag and Anthem for the entire song, and this is done as a Presidential candidate.
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