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Fight the Smears

Loss Leader said:
No, you did not.
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Here you go again. I find it amazing that you deny what is placed before you.


Obama wrote:

We started down the road toward town, and in the silence, my mind began to rework Ray’s words that day with Kurt, all the discussions we had had before that, the events of that night. And by the time I had dropped my friends off, I had begun to see a new map of the world, one that was frightening in its simplicity, suffocating in its implications. We were always playing on the white man’s court, Ray had told me, by the white man’s rules. Whatever he decided to do, it was his decision to make, not yours, and because of that fundamental power he held over you, because it preceded and would outlast his individual motives and inclinations, any distinction between good and bad whites held negligible meaning.

In fact, you couldn’t even be sure that everything you had assumed to be an expression of your black, unfettered self – the humour, the song, the behind-the-back pass – had been freely chosen by you. At best, these things were a refuge; at worst, a trap.

Following this maddening logic, the only thing you could choose as your own was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage, until being black meant only the knowledge of your own powerlessness, of your own defeat. And the final irony: should you refuse this defeat and lash out at your captors, they would have a name for that, too, a name that could cage you just as good. Paranoid. Militant. Violent. N*****.
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joobz said:
Interesting. Seems Obama knew a guy named Ray who thought those things.

What's your point again?
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Try reading the words that Obama wrote.

I (Obama) had begun to see a new map of the world, one that was frightening in its simplicity, suffocating in its implications.

What new world did Obama learn of?

Well, he tells us:

... any distinction between good and bad whites held negligible meaning.

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JEROME DA GNOME said:
Try reading the words that Obama wrote.

I (Obama) had begun to see a new map of the world, one that was frightening in its simplicity, suffocating in its implications.

What new world did Obama learn of?

Well, he tells us:

... any distinction between good and bad whites held negligible meaning.

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Yes, he was following Ray's logic to it's conclusion. which he proceeded to say
Following this maddening logic.....
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Not a statement of agreement, is it?

It's clear, even from this abbreviated section you provide, that the author (Obama) doesn't actually hold to that worldview.
 
boloboffin said:
Seeing a map is a lot different from following it to the destinations it maps out.
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Well, yes. You are correct. If these were just his thoughts as a teenager finding his way in the world these thoughts would have little meaning.

The problems is he cultivated these thoughts with his family in the racist church of Rev. Wright for 20 years.

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joobz said:
It's clear, even from this abbreviated section you provide, that the author (Obama) doesn't actually hold to that worldview.
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Then why did he inculcate his family with these views for 20 years in the church of the racist Rev. Wright?

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JEROME DA GNOME said:
Then why did he inculcate his family with these views for 20 years in the church of the racist Rev. Wright?

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I see you have no other evidence from his book that he maintained these "racist" views. Why would he write a book where he called such arguments "maddening logic" if he was in such agreement with it?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Try reading the words that Obama wrote.

I (Obama) had begun to see a new map of the world, one that was frightening in its simplicity, suffocating in its implications.

What new world did Obama learn of?

Well, he tells us:

... any distinction between good and bad whites held negligible meaning.
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These statements are taken out of context and do not provide evidence for your point. You are wrong.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
You remind me of Sgt. Shultz from Hogan's Heroes.


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So you don't have evidence of that. Thanks for clarifying.

Interestingly, what we do have evidence of is Obama's rejection of those ideas.

Silly me for not seeing things that aren't there.

So, JdG, do you have any point?
 
Loss Leader said:
These statements are taken out of context and do not provide evidence for your point. You are wrong.
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Here is the context as Obama wrote it.

Obama wrote:

We started down the road toward town, and in the silence, my mind began to rework Ray’s words that day with Kurt, all the discussions we had had before that, the events of that night. And by the time I had dropped my friends off, I had begun to see a new map of the world, one that was frightening in its simplicity, suffocating in its implications. We were always playing on the white man’s court, Ray had told me, by the white man’s rules. Whatever he decided to do, it was his decision to make, not yours, and because of that fundamental power he held over you, because it preceded and would outlast his individual motives and inclinations, any distinction between good and bad whites held negligible meaning.

In fact, you couldn’t even be sure that everything you had assumed to be an expression of your black, unfettered self – the humour, the song, the behind-the-back pass – had been freely chosen by you. At best, these things were a refuge; at worst, a trap.

Following this maddening logic, the only thing you could choose as your own was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage, until being black meant only the knowledge of your own powerlessness, of your own defeat. And the final irony: should you refuse this defeat and lash out at your captors, they would have a name for that, too, a name that could cage you just as good. Paranoid. Militant. Violent. N*****.
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JEROME DA GNOME said:
Which part?

That Obama and his family went to Rev. Wright's church for 20 years or that Rev. Wright preaches racism?

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You're moving the goalposts.
First, you were trying to prove Obama's a racist because of an excerpt from his book.
Now, you're trying to prove it because of Reverend Wright. Except that that dead horse has been beat to a pulp long ago. Rev. Wright is not the person running for president.
 
Winston said:
I have this aunt who lives in the deep south and forwarded me the chain email below recently:



I guess my question really is, how did it come about that this person vote has the same weight as mine? (sarcasm intended)
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Wait, am I reading this correctly? This e-mail claims that the Book of Revelation said the Anti-Christ is a man of Muslim descent - several centuries before the word "Muslim" even existed?

And, anyway, how Obama come "out of nowhere" - I thought he´s from Illinois?
 
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