CIT.....Time to call it a day

[A W Smith]

How do you get a 40-foot lightpole in a van?

They were inflatable of course.


this quote by Dom I found amusing

This is the government revving up propaganda against CIT because they are well aware of the state of CIT's investigation into the Pentagon attack. This is sort of a "preemptive strike". Attempt to discredit the credibility of the presenters before they release what they now have.

Please Dom. The government could care less about you or your insignificant little CIT tree house members. The words quoted above show a persecution complex like that of a paranoid delusional. You are not important. You are solely entertainment. You provide a case study of challenging aberrant behavior for us.

 

[e^n]

If a car comes flying by and someone says he must be doin 100 it doesn't mean he is. He could be doing 75. It is an estimate based on observation.

That's true enough, and if you were to talk to the driver of the car at the time and he were to tell you he was doing 80mph and the driver passed him then you have a baseline for approximation.

Purely speculation and not anything that will get anyone convicted in a courtroom. But if the eyewitness also notes the car is driving against traffic then it's pretty safe to say that is the claim that will stick in court. This is no different.

Well there's the fact we're not in a courtroom, and the fact I am asking you what the witnesses you have talked to have said, not what you believe.

Why am i "avoiding" this?

Did I use the word "avoiding"? I thought I used the word "resisting" which is what I think you are doing?

I don't know where the plane flew precisely.

Did it fly over Paik?
Did it fly to the north of the Citgo?

I dont know the precise speed of the plane.

What speeds / times to impact have your witnesses stated?

I dont know the precise altitude of the plane.

That's ok I don't need to add that to an analysis until much later on if at all.

I dont know if it shot over the Pentagon to the north or south of the "impact".

Sean Boger's account would limit the area it could possibly pass to basically exactly the damaged area. It would seem so anyway.

I don't know where it was when Officer Roosevelt saw it.

I thought we were discussing pre-impact?

I've been around this too long to get set up.

How am I trying to set you up? Have you got any evidence of this or are you potentially being a little paranoid?

What I do know is that the plane approached over the Navy Annex on the NoC which is irreconcilable with the mechanical damage path. None of which seems to have been witnessed by any of these witnesses.

Odd, don't you agree in the slightest?

I guess so, the amount of corroboration you have managed to find for at least the NoC theory sounds impressive at first, but I am beginning to doubt your sampling methods. That's why I am beginning from a very simple start, using only three requirements for a flight path and giving your case as much leeway as possible.

 

[LashL]

But if the eyewitness also notes the car is driving against traffic then it's pretty safe to say that is the claim that will stick in court.

Not if the accident reconstruction experts who examine the crash site determine that the physical evidence shows that the car, in fact, was not driving against traffic. The physical evidence will trump the eyewitness' claim.

This is no different.

Indeed. Once again, the physical evidence trumps the claims of the eyewitnesses who mistakenly believed that AA77 flew north of the Citgo station.

 

[pomeroo]

Ever wish you were a kitten? I know I do sometimes.

Hold on! Do you wish that he were a kitten, or do you wish that you were? This is important!

For my part, I don't have to wish to be a unicorn, because I can turn myself into one whenever I want.

 

[pomeroo]

There's always some excuse for the Bush Administration, isn't there?

Should I post the list of everything else they've been caught lying about so you can call it irrelevant and not proving of any pattern like your colleagues here do?

Perhaps because you are one of the more polite people I've encountered I expect a little more intellectual honesty out of you.....

You have failed conspicuously to find a single lie told by Bush. You won't do better anytime soon.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

There's always some excuse for the Bush Administration, isn't there?

And always an 'excuse' for the truth movement, I see where you're going.

Should I post the list of everything else they've been caught lying about

Good... I'll be happy to post side by side comparisons of all the quotes that the truth movement has mined... in order to lie to people. Want to start comparing?

An object traveling at over 800 feet per second striking light poles in the process... you won't have much time to react...

 

[Bobert]

Yeah like the impact, which all your witnesses agree on, is such a minor point. What would be a more lasting image to these witnesses, what led up to the impact or the impact itself?

Aldo addressed the issue with Levi with this statement.
It hurts my brain just reading it.
I apologize in advace. I would recommend a couple of drinks before reading this:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=87686&t=327800

He knows what we believe and he outwardly believes the plane hit the building. We're ok with that. What he believes and what he saw are two completely different things.

So let me see if I have what aldo is doing right.....
Cherry picking, quote mining, twisting, leading his own witness?
Do you agree with that Dom?
How does one become so far gone that they post stuff like this and dont see their own unethical behavior?

 

[Bobert]

They were inflatable of course.


this quote by Dom I found amusing



Please Dom. The government could care less about you or your insignificant little CIT tree house members. The words quoted above show a persecution complex like that of a paranoid delusional. You are not important. You are solely entertainment. You provide a case study of challenging aberrant behavior for us.

Yes Dom's paranoia runs very very deep.
Along these lines here is thinking that the NWO controls the media and told this reporter to interrupt Mark Dice and prevent him from speaking about operation Northwoods
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=89894&t=337730

they must have told her to start talking over you if you mention operation northwoods.......

 

[jhunter1163]

Hold on! Do you wish that he were a kitten, or do you wish that you were? This is important!

For my part, I don't have to wish to be a unicorn, because I can turn myself into one whenever I want.

According to Disbelief's avatar, it is far, FAR better to be a kitten.

 

[Disbelief]

According to Disbelief's avatar, it is far, FAR better to be a kitten.

Gee, I thought you guys liked me for my personality.

 

[Bobert]

Yes I like both of your personalities!

 

[tsig]

Yes I like both of your personalities!

And the lucky kitty.

 

[beachnut]

Considering 4 of the light poles were planted during the cover of night ...quote]
Pure fantasy. No one takes you seriously, your ideas are far from reality.

 

[Bobert]

LOL "cover of night".
Maybe in the deep woods somewhere.
Check that transmission it seems to be constanly running in fantasy.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Considering 4 of the light poles were planted during the cover of night ...quote]
Pure fantasy. No one takes you seriously, your ideas are far from reality.

Would somebody mind telling that to the taxi cab driver that got hit by one of the light poles?

 

[TC329]

You have failed conspicuously to find a single lie told by Bush. You won't do better anytime soon.

Really Ron?

Where's the WMD's?

 

[Bobert]

I believe that Criag described him as a patsy.
Here is a list of what could have gone wrong that day based on what Criag and the CIT say (please add anything I may have missed)
1) The cabbie could have backed out .
2) The Cabbie could have not prerformed his job correctly
3) The planted DNA may have looked suspiciousl
3a) The DNA planters may have had a sudden pain of guilt and backed out
4) The planted plane debris may have not been planted correclty
4a) The planted plane debris crew may have decided that this wasnt such a hot idea
5) The explosives planted at the pentagon may have not gone off
6) The explosives at the Pentagon may have been discovered.
7) the explosive planting team may have been discovered/backed out
8) The light pole removal may have been discovered
9) The light pole "planting" may have been discovered
10) The amount of individuals needed for 8 and 9 may have wondered what was going on and blown the whistle.

Ok my brain hurts already and there is probably another 20 things I could list.

 

[TC329]

Good... I'll be happy to post side by side comparisons of all the quotes that the truth movement has mined... in order to lie to people. Want to start comparing?

Absolutely. Then when we're done we can compare how many people have been raped, tortured, & died because of whom's "lies"?

Deal?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Absolutely. Then when we're done we can compare how many people have been raped, tortured, & died because of whom's "lies"?

EDIT:
Oh just think of it this way, you get to learn of the whole hypocrisy deal that the pursuit of 'truth' has given itself the shining reputation of...

 

[A W Smith]

I believe that Criag described him as a patsy.
Here is a list of what could have gone wrong that day based on what Criag and the CIT say (please add anything I may have missed)
1) The cabbie could have backed out .
2) The Cabbie could have not prerformed his job correctly
3) The planted DNA may have looked suspiciousl
3a) The DNA planters may have had a sudden pain of guilt and backed out
4) The planted plane debris may have not been planted correclty
4a) The planted plane debris crew may have decided that this wasnt such a hot idea
5) The explosives planted at the pentagon may have not gone off
6) The explosives at the Pentagon may have been discovered.
7) the explosive planting team may have been discovered/backed out
8) The light pole removal may have been discovered
9) The light pole "planting" may have been discovered
10) The amount of individuals needed for 8 and 9 may have wondered what was going on and blown the whistle.

Ok my brain hurts already and there is probably another 20 things I could list.

You forgot one

11) Fred Sanford and son may have discovered the alleged staged aluminum light poles during the early morning hours. Thrown them on their pickup truck and scrapped them