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Flight 93

The people who flew the falcon 20 and the company know the truth;


Yates Gladwell? Can you name someone who corroborates Yates claim that he flew a Falcon20 over the crash site?

I met and interviewed several eyewitnesses now and when shown pictures of Yates' plane they all say that is not the plane they saw and there is no doubt what so ever that isn't the plane.


but since you are considered a conspiracy theorist who may harass others; you will never get facts, no one wants to talk to people who can not form rational ideas on 9/11.

I'm not "forming an idea". I am interviewing the witnesses who created the original official story and you are insulting them when you hear their accounts. These people were there. They witnessed it. They still live there. Unlike your hero Yates.


You take witnesses and manufacture false information.

What are you accusing me of manufacturing or are you simply calling Susan McElwain a liar?

You have not got one thing right about 9/11 and seem to politically motivated to make up stories on 9/11 to support your political goals.

So you're saying Mrs. McElwain is a puppet and I had my hand up her ass moving her mouth?

Your ideas are debunked, and after 6 years why are you failing to learn anything? Why are you still wrong on 9/11 after 6 years?

Nothing has been debunked. Oh wait this is the JREF forums where military drones don't exist. Like the one that fired a missile into Pakistan yesterday. And the one that was flying over Afghanistan in the late 90's filming Bin Laden and his cronies. Yeah no such things as those. You & Susan McElwain are debunked!!!!11111111

Sorry, the Falcon 20 is common knowledge, you can not even blame Bush for this fact. Go interview the people who see planes under wires and as big a minivan. Good job.

Once again I ask if you are calling Mrs. McElwain a liar?

And for the record you are completely anonymous, right?
 
There are no "inconsistencies" between the eyewitness accounts. Just they're accounts compared to the governments. ...
Oh? Sorry, Boger saw 77 hit the Pentagon. Darn, there goes that fly over. Is the flyover your failed idea? Even the passengers were found in the Pentagon. No flyover. Oops the FDR was found in the Pentagon. No flyover. Evidence you can not dispute, save but talk, hearsay, and lies.

The witnesses used by CIT have been debunked so many times to show they do not support a flyover. Your ideas are false, and failed. But please repeat your hearsay and flawed investigation conclusions; maybe someone will see your rant and be saved from spending 15 bucks on DVD packed with failed ideas and non conclusions of non paths.

Got any new impossible (non) paths?
 
Oh? Sorry, Boger saw 77 hit the Pentagon. Darn, there goes that fly over. Is the flyover your failed idea? Even the passengers were found in the Pentagon. No flyover. Oops the FDR was found in the Pentagon. No flyover. Evidence you can not dispute, save but talk, hearsay, and lies.

The witnesses used by CIT have been debunked so many times to show they do not support a flyover. Your ideas are false, and failed. But please repeat your hearsay and flawed investigation conclusions; maybe someone will see your rant and be saved from spending 15 bucks on DVD packed with failed ideas and non conclusions of non paths.

Got any new impossible (non) paths?

ease up on the amount of impurities you're pumping into your body. this thread is discussing flight 93. I can imagine why you might want to change the topic.
 
There are no "inconsistencies" between the eyewitness accounts.

How about directly addressing these points, then, asked of you earlier:
You do realise that the crash site is due west of Val McClatchey's house, don't you? Any plane passing north over Val McClatchey's house is heading nowhere near the crash site. In fact, it's distance from the crash site is increasing, if it continues due north!

I assume you've studied the FDR data plots for flight 93(?) Perhaps you'd care to describe what you think the final flight path, sorry "fall path", of Flight 93 would have really looked like from an eye witness somewhere close to Indian Lake. Would you?
 
How about directly addressing these points, then, asked of you earlier:


I did.

Directly.

In post #408.

And I quote myself now :

Why did you just invent the claim that the plane was flying North? Where have I or anyone else ever said that? Val McClatchey lives on a direct Southeastern path from the crash site heading towards Indian Lake. In fact she is dead center of any airplane flying from Indian Lake towards the crash site. And Val McClatchey hears an airplane fly over her house and follows that sound to look out her window in time to see Flight 93 heading towards the ground. So it's safe to say the plane heard by the people inside Indian Lake marina and seen by Jim Stop is the same plane heard and seen by Val McClatchey and it is all prior to the impact of Flight 93.

Try reading.
 
I don't think they bothered with you. You're nobody.

And I mean that in the nicest way possible.


Where did I say anything in a singular sense? I didn't, thats right.

I said "we" as in the American public.
 
Clinton's "blow job" impeachment (which never happened anyways) was all bubble gum for an entertained populace and nothing else. Clinton should have been impeached at Waco & Ruby Ridge and never been left in office long enough to even know Lewinsky......

You seem to have an issue with everyone who has ever been elected to the office of POTUS. Who (or what) would you rather have exercise the powers of the highest executive position in this country?
 
yeah thats the only thing i'm doin...... :p

yes i have proven otherwise.
Where?

now lets talk about lee purbaugh and his insistance that the plane he watched crash crashed right side up and not upside down.

what are your thoughts on that?
Just like people who saw a small plane hit the pentagon, smaller than a van.

and other than lee purbaugh can you name another witness that actually was there to watch the plane actually impact the ground?

I can but then I will have to kill you.
 
ease up on the amount of impurities you're pumping into your body. this thread is discussing flight 93. I can imagine why you might want to change the topic.
Who are you, you were posting anti-bush rant, now you are telling me the topic? Wait, yes, you were saying bush lied about something (but failed to provide evidence), therefore flight 93 evidence is a lie? Your political rant reinforces your flawed logic that permeates all your work on 9/11.

The thread is about the fantasy shoot down. Are you absent evidence on that topic too?

I did.

Directly.

In post #408.

And I quote myself now :

Try reading.
You say 93 flew over Indian lake seconds before impact, because people heard a jet? (better not say that, that becomes another non path) Faulty analysis, again? 93 never flew directly over the lake seconds prior to impact. How did you mess this up? Oh, your standard faulty witness cherry picking change to make up story that is false. At least you have not gained any investigator skills making up your own 9/11 fantasy.

Someone brought this up, and like you can't prove it due to the fact their investigation is not based on fact, but like you, just a made up fantasy based on faulty witness analysis.
 
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now lets talk about lee purbaugh and his insistance that the plane he watched crash crashed right side up and not upside down.

what are your thoughts on that?

and other than lee purbaugh can you name another witness that actually was there to watch the plane actually impact the ground?
Where does he say it was not upside down? He said,
“There was an incredibly loud rumbling sound and there it was, right there, right above my head—maybe 50 feet up.… I saw it rock from side to side then, suddenly, it dipped and dived, nose first, with a huge explosion, into the ground. I knew immediately that no one could possibly have survived.”
Not much about right side up there.


93 was not upside-down. Are you a pilot? Do you understand upside-down? This is upside-down, the second plane. 93 hit nose first, not upside-down. Sorry, but you need to study this subject more.
upsidedown.jpg

So where does he say it was not upside-down? Nose down. What bank angle did he say it was at, and does he understand flying? Do you?
 
I did.

Directly.

In post #408.

And I quote myself now :

Try reading.
I apologize TC - I missed that post. Regardless:
Why did you just invent the claim that the plane was flying North? Where have I or anyone else ever said that?
Er ...
no pilot exists who says he was there at that exact moment which according to the official story there was no plane there other than flight 93 at that exact moment. which leaves no explanation for the eyewitnesses who place the plane above Indian Lake flying north over Val McClatchey's house towards the crash site which can't be the same plane that is coming over the Bridge St/Buckstown Rd intersection either.

Val McClatchey lives on a direct Southeastern path from the crash site heading towards Indian Lake. In fact she is dead center of any airplane flying from Indian Lake towards the crash site.
She's moved house since the crash, has she?:

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And Val McClatchey hears an airplane fly over her house and follows that sound to look out her window in time to see Flight 93 heading towards the ground.

Where did you get this account from?

So it's safe to say the plane heard by the people inside Indian Lake marina and seen by Jim Stop is the same plane heard and seen by Val McClatchey and it is all prior to the impact of Flight 93.

"Safe to say"? Would you care to describe the flight path of this plane, with reference to the Google image capture above?

I may release such with my final presentation of eyewitness interviews. I know better than to start drawing what I believe the flight path was based on eyewitness accounts.

You misunderstand (possibly my fault). I'm asking you to describe, from a hypothetical eye witness point of view, what you think the final flight path of Flight 93 would have looked like based on the FDR data plots. Or do you believe that the published data plots are fabricated?
 
You're right Dom, please explain what actually happened.

Source 1
1) Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the [Indian Lake]golf course, said something with a “very loud screeching sound” passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

2) Another groundskeeper said he saw a silver plane pass overhead toward the crash site from the southeast after hearing the loud “screeching” sound. The large silver plane was at an elevation of several thousand feet, he said.

Kashurba, 2002, pp. 158-159

3) Barry Lichty, a US Navy veteran and mayor of Indian Lake Borough (just to the east of where Flight 93 crashes), is watching television with his wife. He says he hears “a loud roar above the house that sounded like a missile.… Shortly thereafter, we heard an explosion and a tremor. My first reaction, as a former utility employee, was that maybe someone shot a missile into the substation.” He says Flight 93 “did not come over my house. I don’t know what we heard.”

Source

4) Val McClatchey heard the 757 roar over Indian Lake, three miles east of where it would crash. She had been watching the "Today" show, with footage from New York, and now the Pentagon. She looked out the window, above the red barns. She caught a glimpse of it, like light off a watch face. Then nothing, and then a boom that nearly knocked her off the couch.

Source


5) John Fleegle, a manager at the Indian Lake Marina about 1.5 miles from where Flight 93 crashes, is indoors with some colleagues, watching the televised coverage of the World Trade Center attack. Then, as he later describes, “All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom,”

6) Jim Brant and two of Brant’s employees [Fleegle & Tom Spinelli] were among the dozens who witnessed the crash from Indian Lake.

7) Carol Delasko called him [Fleegle] into the drydock barn to watch news of the World Trade Center attack........Delasko, who ran outside moments later, said she thought someone had blown up a boat on the lake. “It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake,” she said.

Jim Brandt, John Fleegle, Tom Spinelli, & Carol Delasko were all together at the Indian Lake Marina and corroborate the accounts.

8) Lee Purbaugh says the plane was not upside down. For the impact crater to have been made by a plane not flying "upside down" which direction would it have to be coming from, Johnnyclueless?

I know you won't answer my question honestly. Notice the rest of your skeptics friends are kind of leaving you hanging........
 
Well if you believe all the eyewitnesses, the people who lived there and still do and Lee Purbaugh the only person to actually see the plane impact the ground it appears that a plane coming out of the south/southeast crashed there.

Do you disagree with this assessment?
 
Well if you believe all the eyewitnesses, the people who lived there and still do and Lee Purbaugh the only person to actually see the plane impact the ground it appears that a plane coming out of the south/southeast crashed there.

Do you disagree with this assessment?
You are consistent, messing up witness statements, making flawed conclusions.

take a physics course and stop making up stories about 9/11.

Ignore physical evidence, makeup failed conclusions;
http://www.glownightclub.ca/audio/lee_purbaugh_032707.mp3

http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/lee_purbaugh_032807.mp3

If you're going to make arguments make sure you're involved enough to know what evidence exists.
you just make it up, and ignore physical evidence.

I love your sources; hearsay...
 
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