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Flight 93

Everything the Bush Administration put out at truth is, isn't it?
Oh, it is not flight 93, it is the bush bias brigade of false information on 9/11.

Just as you hate bush, your false ideas on 9/11 are the things you hate about bush. You have become as bad as you think bush is, but you confined it to 9/11 and failed ideas on 9/11. Good job, you are just like what you hate.

You rant about bush instead of having evidence on 9/11. poor smoke screen.
 
... the Falcon20 story was invented.
The Falcon 20 is real, your ideas are fantasy. You have less evidence than the bigfoot movement.

You missed the sources which prove the white jet seen flying around the impact area of flight 93 was not a military plane but a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet from VF Corporation. Please research these topic before you make up lies.
 
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The fact that some of you can still live with yourselves and sleep at night is truly mind boggling.
Yes I must have to chalk up bottles of prosac every night to get rid on my guilt huh?

We were promised the air was safe. We were lied to.
Relevance?

We were promised the PATRIOT Act wasn't going to be used against American citizens. We were lied to.
Relevance to 9/11 other than the obvious fact that the government used it as a pretext to enact the patriot act

We were reassured no one was monitoring our phone calls or spying on us. We were lied to.
Relevance to 9/11 other than it being used as a pretext?

We were told Saddam Hussein possessed deadly biological, chemical, & nuclear weapons and was an imminent threat. We were lied to.
The fact that the CIA had to either falsify or provide flawed intelligence tells you something about this...

We were told the government of Iraq had ties with the Al Qaeda terrorist organization. We were lied to.
Relevance to 9/11?


We were told people weren't being tortured. We were lied to.
Relevance to 9/11, or for that matter flight 93?


We were told prisoner abuse was just an isolated incident. We were lied to.
Cherry picking Abu Graib or are we bundling up Guantanamo with that?


Everything from the Bush Administration and their propaganda machines known to us as mainstream media outlets has been lies. Since the day he came into office.
Well I'll be damned

And yet there are people on the internet (my favorite are the ones who claim to hate and despise Bush so they defend his 9/11 story

Perhaps because most of them aren't claiming laser beams destroying the world trade center, because none in the group are pulling speculation out of their ---- as to how they got explosives in these buildings, Maybe because most rational people would seem to realize the number of people involved in such conspiracy...

Half the reason I never considered the plot to be an inside job is because most of the claims I've heard from the truth movement crumble when confronted with actual hard facts... and a good number of quotes I've read were edited to suit the bombs theory through quote mining.


let me guess you hate me too - gain any credibility yet?
Naw, we still love earth's fellow creatures...

who defend everything said by a Commission appointed by THE LIAR.
You forgot NIST which was reviewed by numerous engineers.


Handpicked by the one who's telling us all the ****ing lies.
You make it sound as if Bush is the only lying politician.. no?


How do you know when a politician is lying? Every moment they open their mouths... they apparantly can't hide Clinton's blow job and then suddenly Bush is in office for eight months and he supposedly carries out the biggest cover up in hiost but is too stupid to hid obvious flaws in his cover up plan...

Everybody know the government lies and is highly prone to incompetence...
 
that's all it boils down to. using the tragedy of 9/11 to tr and sell people ones political beliefs. It's no longer good enough to dislike an administration, now one has to make up absurd conspiracy nonsense.
 
Seriously people, why even bother? Debating with these people is akin to slamming one's head repeatedly into an incredibly dense concrete wall, that whines at you after every impact.
 
Why don't you discuss it with Bob Blair, Terry Butler and Tim Thomsberg who seem to disagree with the way he remembers it.

why are you so sure that i already haven't?

Didn't he (Purbaugh) also say that it passed 50 feet over his head swerved back and forth then crash nose first 300 yards away? Sounds like the whole event may have freaked him out a bit (understandable).

did you listen to the interview with him?
 
Thank you for helping make my case. If you take away the eye-sound witness statements, what, exactly, do you have left?

Well you're right. When you take away the "sound witnesses" all you have left is the plane debris that ended up at Indian Lake. Which was falling out of the sky when Carol Delasko and others went out to see what had exploded.......of course the wind should have taken it about 20 minutes to get there but then again we still have Jim Stop out in a boat fishing on the lake watching the plane fly over him losing pieces of the plane. Kinda complicates things, doesn't it?



No explanation? Oops! You do realise that the crash site is due west of Val McClatchey's house, don't you? Any plane passing north over Val McClatchey's house is heading nowhere near the crash site. In fact, it's distance from the crash site is increasing, if it continues due north! It could, however, be heading north in preparation for a left turn as part of a landing approach to Somerset County Airport. Yes, that seems plausible, given that the wind direction that day would dictate landing approaches from the north.

Why did you just invent the claim that the plane was flying North? Where have I or anyone else ever said that? Val McClatchey lives on a direct Southeastern path from the crash site heading towards Indian Lake. In fact she is dead center of any airplane flying from Indian Lake towards the crash site. And Val McClatchey hears an airplane fly over her house and follows that sound to look out her window in time to see Flight 93 heading towards the ground. So it's safe to say the plane heard by the people inside Indian Lake marina and seen by Jim Stop is the same plane heard and seen by Val McClatchey and it is all prior to the impact of Flight 93.



I assume you've studied the FDR data plots for flight 93(?) Perhaps you'd care to describe what you think the final flight path, sorry "fall path", of Flight 93 would have really looked like from an eye witness somewhere close to Indian Lake. Would you?

I may release such with my final presentation of eyewitness interviews. I know better than to start drawing what I believe the flight path was based on eyewitness accounts.
 
Oh, it is not flight 93, it is the bush bias brigade of false information on 9/11.

Just as you hate bush, your false ideas on 9/11 are the things you hate about bush. You have become as bad as you think bush is, but you confined it to 9/11 and failed ideas on 9/11. Good job, you are just like what you hate.


The part of the same quote left out by someone poorly attempting to be deceptive :

We were promised the air was safe. We were lied to.
We were promised the PATRIOT Act wasn't going to be used against American citizens. We were lied to.
We were reassured no one was monitoring our phone calls or spying on us. We were lied to.
We were told Saddam Hussein possessed deadly biological, chemical, & nuclear weapons and was an imminent threat. We were lied to.
We were told the government of Iraq had ties with the Al Qaeda terrorist organization. We were lied to.
We were told people weren't being tortured. We were lied to.
We were told prisoner abuse was just an isolated incident. We were lied to.
We were told there were no secret CIA prisons in Europe were prisoners were being tortured. We were lied to.

Correct the incorrect one of those Beachy.
 
Ummm.... all you would have left is the government authorized and approved version of what happened. I'm glad *you* trust them. I sure DON'T. Data is easy to manipulate/fabricate, in case you didn't know that. You see, SouthWind, I can tell you that gawd was angry with me and came here and smashed my truck with a tree limb. I can also show pictures of it. However, since I don't believe in a magical, mythical sky fairy, an easier explanation would be that a storm came through and blew the tree limb down, right?

As for your other reply to me, all I can say is that it comes across as making you look like you have no interest in debating the subject, and that your only interest is trying to convince someone that they are wrong and the government is right. I've already told you, your psychobabble doesn't work on me, run it on someone else. That being said, I bid you farewell, as I don't have time to respond further to nuisance/distraction posts.

Brave Sir Robin.
 
Yes I must have to chalk up bottles of prosac every night to get rid on my guilt huh?


Relevance?


Relevance to 9/11 other than the obvious fact that the government used it as a pretext to enact the patriot act


Relevance to 9/11 other than it being used as a pretext?


The fact that the CIA had to either falsify or provide flawed intelligence tells you something about this...


Relevance to 9/11?



Relevance to 9/11, or for that matter flight 93?



Cherry picking Abu Graib or are we bundling up Guantanamo with that?



Well I'll be damned

The relevance is how do you know when to believe a proven liar who will lie about the gravest most important things in our world is telling the truth about another one?


You forgot NIST which was reviewed by numerous engineers.

You forget the EPA who had their report rewritten by the Bush Administration and the lack of experts at the time of their report who came running out of the wood work saying "No way is that air safe".



You make it sound as if Bush is the only lying politician.. no?

LOL!!!! Then you obviously haven't been paying attention to me.


How do you know when a politician is lying?

They're breathing.

Every moment they open their mouths... they apparantly can't hide Clinton's blow job and then suddenly Bush is in office for eight months and he supposedly carries out the biggest cover up in hiost but is too stupid to hid obvious flaws in his cover up plan...

Seems they got caught in 1993 with actually having their informant devise the WTC bombing plan for "Al Qaeda" and then provided "Al Qaeda" the bomb to bomb the building but "Al Qaeda" was incompetent and didn't park the bomb where they were instructed too so the tower didn't fall into the other tower as planned. Yet they got away with it.

Seems they got caught with some dud bombs in 1995 in Oklahoma City. Sworn affidavits from eyewitnesses to those bombs exist and yet there has been no investigation. Yet again they got away with it.

Clinton's "blow job" impeachment (which never happened anyways) was all bubble gum for an entertained populace and nothing else. Clinton should have been impeached at Waco & Ruby Ridge and never been left in office long enough to even know Lewinsky......
 
The Falcon 20 is real, your ideas are fantasy. You have less evidence than the bigfoot movement.

You missed the sources which prove the white jet seen flying around the impact area of flight 93 was not a military plane but a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet from VF Corporation. Please research these topic before you make up lies.

Find me 1 eyewitness that will go on video and state there is no doubt in their mind that corporate jet is what they witnessed on video.

I will interview them on film tomorrow and release it......
 
The part of the same quote left out by someone poorly attempting to be deceptive :



Correct the incorrect one of those Beachy.
Take it to the political forum. This is a thread about 93, a topic you have only fantasy on.

Your attempt to justify your fantasy due to bush, is pure failure. Too bad you lack real evidence, then we would be spared your political rant.

Funny, you bring biased political rant to a factual event. Good job

Beachy (not so anonymous, am i) (take your rant to the political forum and talk about your ideas there, not here; present facts and stop making up fantasy due to poor investigating skills)
 
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No, its not. You see I drive nearly 3 hours down the turnpike and meet actual eyewitnesses. I have spent hours on the phone multiple times speaking with many eyewitnesses. Some you will soon learn all about and others you won't until a Congressional Hearing takes place. Then I present this information / video / audio recordings to the American Public uncut and unedited. My face is in them and my name is attached to them. Then when that is over little anonymous cowards and some paid government employees attack me and do everything they can to convince people that these eyewitnesses either didn't see what they describe seeing or that they are somehow pushing "my theory".

The fact that some of you can still live with yourselves and sleep at night is truly mind boggling.

We were promised the air was safe. We were lied to.
We were promised the PATRIOT Act wasn't going to be used against American citizens. We were lied to.
We were reassured no one was monitoring our phone calls or spying on us. We were lied to.
We were told Saddam Hussein possessed deadly biological, chemical, & nuclear weapons and was an imminent threat. We were lied to.
We were told the government of Iraq had ties with the Al Qaeda terrorist organization. We were lied to.
We were told people weren't being tortured. We were lied to.
We were told prisoner abuse was just an isolated incident. We were lied to.
We were told there were no secret CIA prisons in Europe were prisoners were being tortured. We were lied to.

Everything from the Bush Administration and their propaganda machines known to us as mainstream media outlets has been lies. Since the day he came into office.

And yet there are people on the internet (my favorite are the ones who claim to hate and despise Bush so they defend his 9/11 story - which is now the majority of your crowd - let me guess you hate me too - gain any credibility yet?) who defend everything said by a Commission appointed by THE LIAR. Handpicked by the one who's telling us all the ****ing lies. And then the whole time his top adviser (where is he now?) is advising the head of the commission and even recommending he suggest Iraq played a role in 9/11. And no one on this commission has any ties with any top Bush Administration brass, right? Never co-authored books with say Bush's National Advisor or anything..........

Even though Commission Kean says lots of people (in the us gov) have things to hide regarding 9/11 and you can go down the list and identify a hundred people...........

Everything the Bush Administration put out at truth is, isn't it?

You promised us the truth we were lied to.
 
No, its not. You see I drive nearly 3 hours down the turnpike and meet actual eyewitnesses. I have spent hours on the phone multiple times speaking with many eyewitnesses. Some you will soon learn all about and others you won't until a Congressional Hearing takes place. Then I present this information / video / audio recordings to the American Public uncut and unedited. My face is in them and my name is attached to them. Then when that is over little anonymous cowards and some paid government employees attack me and do everything they can to convince people that these eyewitnesses either didn't see what they describe seeing or that they are somehow pushing "my theory".

Notwithstanding your diatribe rant, which reveals, like Unchained Spirit, your true colours, and hence cynical, biased, predisposed motives, you clearly consider a 3-hour drive(!) followed by a few interviews as going out of your way to conduct an investigation, and sufficient to move to a conclusion. I can see why you haven't undertaken any real research. Hell, devoting another day to it is clearly unreasonable. Oh no, just ask the eye/sound witnesses what they saw/heard, dig up some (inevitable) inconsistencies and that's enough to justify your stance.

What's really sad is this: I've never conducted interviews like you have, but I could have told you before you jumped in your car that you were wasting your time, because you'd discover exactly what you did discover - inconsistencies. You will find exactly the same regarding any other set of eye-sound witness accounts of similar events. And then you join a forum such as this, present your "argument" and expect people to take you seriously!

Is it even plausible to expect that you might respond to the discrete counter-points raised against your posts? I doubt it. Given your stereotypical CT mindset I'm guessing you'll simply now try to back-pedal into oblivion along with Unchained Spirit. Reminds me of that arcade game where the little puppet randomly pops his head up out of a series of holes and you have to quickly whack him with a mallet before he disapears and pops up again from a different hole. It's a fun game, at first, but then it quickly becomes mundane and mind-numbingly repetitive. Then suddenly roll-a-penny starts to look like an exciting prospect.
 
Find me 1 eyewitness that will go on video and state there is no doubt in their mind that corporate jet is what they witnessed on video.

I will interview them on film tomorrow and release it......
After seeing your evidence (lack of evidence), you are safe from winning the Pulitzer Prize and your ideas will continue to be seen as without foundation.

Just pure fantasy. Got more hearsay nonsense?
 
Take it to the political forum. This is a thread about 93, a topic you have only fantasy on.

Your attempt to justify your fantasy due to bush, is pure failure. Too bad you lack real evidence, then we would be spared your political rant.

Funny, you bring biased political rant to a factual event. Good job

Evidence that someone is a liar is completely relevant since this story was put out by that liars hand picked personal commission.

Calling my points "biased" is showing your "bias". I made statements about important historical events and asked you to show which ones I was incorrect on. Since you can't you cry "foul". Waaaaaaaaa.
 
The relevance is how do you know when to believe a proven liar who will lie about the gravest most important things in our world is telling the truth about another one?
And where does this leave the truth movement and it's reputation for members quote mining and stooping to the same level? I feel a disconnect here... Don't believe the government? Then start studying aeronautics and engineering yourself and then grasp the material... All you've proven is something that most rational people already know about politics... that they're either incredibly incompetent or they lie so much their noses spring out like pinnochio.. And many members of the truth movement do the same things... I'm not inclined to lean on either unless they have facts straight particularly in the field I'm working in...
 
Notwithstanding your diatribe rant, which reveals, like Unchained Spirit, your true colours, and hence cynical, biased, predisposed motives, you clearly consider a 3-hour drive(!) followed by a few interviews as going out of your way to conduct an investigation, and sufficient to move to a conclusion. I can see why you haven't undertaken any real research. Hell, devoting another day to it is clearly unreasonable. Oh no, just ask the eye/sound witnesses what they saw/heard, dig up some (inevitable) inconsistencies and that's enough to justify your stance.

What's really sad is this: I've never conducted interviews like you have, but I could have told you before you jumped in your car that you were wasting your time, because you'd discover exactly what you did discover - inconsistencies. You will find exactly the same regarding any other set of eye-sound witness accounts of similar events. And then you join a forum such as this, present your "argument" and expect people to take you seriously!

Is it even plausible to expect that you might respond to the discrete counter-points raised against your posts? I doubt it. Given your stereotypical CT mindset I'm guessing you'll simply now try to back-pedal into oblivion along with Unchained Spirit. Reminds me of that arcade game where the little puppet randomly pops his head up out of a series of holes and you have to quickly whack him with a mallet before he disapears and pops up again from a different hole. It's a fun game, at first, but then it quickly becomes mundane and mind-numbingly repetitive. Then suddenly roll-a-penny starts to look like an exciting prospect.


There are no "inconsistencies" between the eyewitness accounts. Just they're accounts compared to the governments. I bet you knew I would discover that just by driving down there and talking to the people who saw what happened. You'd be surprised how many witnesses your side of the fence has used for years that actually don't support your version or interpretation of their story. But you'll be finding out.

The rest of your argument is simply an attempt to discredit the evidence brought forth by me and support your same story with a couple cherry picked quotes from the same type of sources. The difference being I actually contacted those people and became an unfiltered source for their information. It's nice not having some overpaid suit with an agenda standing over me rewriting and editing my interviews...........
 
Find me 1 eyewitness that will go on video and state there is no doubt in their mind that corporate jet is what they witnessed on video.

I will interview them on film tomorrow and release it......
The people who flew the falcon 20 and the company know the truth; but since you are considered a conspiracy theorist who may harass others; you will never get facts, no one wants to talk to people who can not form rational ideas on 9/11. You take witnesses and manufacture false information. You have not got one thing right about 9/11 and seem to politically motivated to make up stories on 9/11 to support your political goals.

Your ideas are debunked, and after 6 years why are you failing to learn anything? Why are you still wrong on 9/11 after 6 years?

Sorry, the Falcon 20 is common knowledge, you can not even blame Bush for this fact. Go interview the people who see planes under wires and as big a minivan. Good job.
 

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