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Ron Paul Plans Rival Convention for Republicans

dudalb said:
I would bet that a lot of Paulbots screamed "Right On!" when they first heard the tapes of Mel's drunken "the Jews Are Behind All The Wars" rant right before he was hauled off to jail for drunk driving.
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RadioactiveMan said:
Please provide evidence for your assertion or retract your libelous accusation.
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RadioactiveMan said:
Oh, is that the way we weasel out of things here?
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who is he libeling? Has he named an individual.

If I say that Republicans are idiots, and am I libeling someone?

Give it a rest. He gave an opinion about a group of people. You can say it was in poor form, that you disagree, but asking for a retraction and calling in libelous is just ridiculous.

If you want to see examples of your alleged libelous claim, then take a look at any of the Clinton or Obama threads, and you will see plenty comments like...

"Obamaniacs are _______" or "Clintonites are all a bunch of _________"

TAM
 
CptColumbo said:
Do you know the difference between expressing an opinion and stating a fact? I learned about it back in third grade. Have you reached that level yet or do they wait until junior high school for that nowadays?
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I know it perfectly well. And I also can see when someone tosses out an "opinion" as a thinly veiled insult.

I'd bet Obama and all his supporters like get together in dark caves to rape little boys and then eat them for dinner.

It's not a claim, right? So I don't have to provide any evidence to support it, or even retract it, even though it's blatantly idiotic and almost certainly untrue.

Call his statement whatever you want, it's the moral equivalent of my statement two paragraphs above.
 
RadioactiveMan said:
I know it perfectly well. And I also can see when someone tosses out an "opinion" as a thinly veiled insult.

I'd bet Obama and all his supporters like get together in dark caves to rape little boys and then eat them for dinner.

It's not a claim, right? So I don't have to provide any evidence to support it, or even retract it, even though it's blatantly idiotic and almost certainly untrue.

Call his statement whatever you want, it's the moral equivalent of my statement two paragraphs above.
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Considering Stormfront's endorsement of Paul, and they and their ilk's feelings about Jews, his opinion has a basis in fact that the Obama claim lacks, so you may not want to push this particular issue.
 
Oh, so because certain people support someone's candidacy for president, then it is valid to assume all supporters share those beliefs?

I don't think it's at all unreasonable to believe there are some kiddie rapists that support Obama, so we can still apply the "wager" and not run afoul of the logic assumed in the post I was referencing.
 
RadioactiveMan said:
Oh, so because certain people support someone's candidacy for president, then it is valid to assume all supporters share those beliefs?
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The claim was "lots," not "all." There is evidence that a significant amount of Paul supporters are anti-semites. It says nothing about Paul, although his knowing acceptence of stormfront money isn't exactly a good sign.
I don't think it's at all unreasonable to believe there are some kiddie rapists that support Obama, so we can still apply the "wager" and not run afoul of the logic assumed in the post I was referencing.
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"I'd bet Obama and all his supporters like get together in dark caves to rape little boys and then eat them for dinner"

If you were to uncover NAMBLA endorsing Obama, you would still fall short on having any basis to allege cannibalism and related spelunking. You would have no reasonable basis to extend this to all Obama supporters and the candidate himself anyway, even if we were to shift your claim to simple child rapists.

Express your opinion about Obama and cannibal child molesting spelunkers all you want though... Call him a racist white hating muslim while you are at it....
 
Oh, I won't call him anything at all. I'll just say "I'd bet he..."

After all, that's how weasely people say something without actually saying something around here, isn't it?
 
I was commenting on the fact that a unusual number of the Ronulans I have encountered on the net seem to have "issues" with the Jews. (And I am not the only one to get this impression )I was trying to use humor to make the point.
And the Stomfront donation was not exactly a good sign. Any politician who had any brains would have not only turned it down, but made it clear that he rejected support form a group like that. Paul did not.
 
RadioactiveMan said:
Oh, I won't call him anything at all. I'll just say "I'd bet he..."

After all, that's how weasely people say something without actually saying something around here, isn't it?
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Forum management is the place to voice disgruntlement with conduct on this forum...or at the very least, a thread in the general section of the JREF. Certainly not here.

TAM:)
 
RadioactiveMan said:
Oh, I won't call him anything at all. I'll just say "I'd bet he..."

After all, that's how weasely people say something without actually saying something around here, isn't it?
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P1. Stormfront supports Ron Paul [True]
P2. Lots of people post on Stormfront [True]
P3. People who post on Stormfront are racists. [True]

C. Lots of people who support Ron Paul are racists. [True]

Compare that to yours.

"I'd bet Obama and all his supporters like get together in dark caves to rape little boys and then eat them for dinner"
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P1. Obama and his supporters support raping and eating little boys [False]

I'm not continuing on that one, P1 is false.

Besides, a bet is not the same thing as an accusation.
 
dudalb said:
I would bet that a lot of Paulbots screamed "Right On!" when they first heard the tapes of Mel's drunken "the Jews Are Behind All The Wars" rant right before he was hauled off to jail for drunk driving.
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RadioactiveMan said:
I know it perfectly well. And I also can see when someone tosses out an "opinion" as a thinly veiled insult.

I'd bet Obama and all his supporters like get together in dark caves to rape little boys and then eat them for dinner.

It's not a claim, right? So I don't have to provide any evidence to support it, or even retract it, even though it's blatantly idiotic and almost certainly untrue.

Call his statement whatever you want, it's the moral equivalent of my statement two paragraphs above.
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So you believe that someone giving an opinon about a portion of a group's feelings about those of a certain faith is the "moral equivalent" of expressing an opinion about all members of a group "rape little boys and then [eat] them for dinner?" Especially when you admit that the one isn't true?

You really think that is the "moral equivalent?"
 
CptColumbo said:
With all the groups who applied for permits to protest in St. Paul does Rep. Paul really think that he will get any attention in Minneapolis.

BTW Parking around William's arena sucks, so they should have a lot of fun.
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That's why everyone should support the NAFTA Superhighway. All of those parking issues will be taken care of.
 
CptColumbo said:
So you believe that someone giving an opinon about a portion of a group's feelings about those of a certain faith is the "moral equivalent" of expressing an opinion about all members of a group "rape little boys and then [eat] them for dinner?" Especially when you admit that the one isn't true?

You really think that is the "moral equivalent?"
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Don't leave out the part about the caves....
 
dudalb said:
I was commenting on the fact that a unusual number of the Ronulans I have encountered on the net seem to have "issues" with the Jews. (And I am not the only one to get this impression )I was trying to use humor to make the point.
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Yes, implying someone's an anti-Semite is always good for a chuckle.

And the Stomfront donation was not exactly a good sign. Any politician who had any brains would have not only turned it down, but made it clear that he rejected support form a group like that. Paul did not.
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Even people you hate have the right to support a political candidate.

This is America, after all.
 
T.A.M. said:
Forum management is the place to voice disgruntlement with conduct on this forum...or at the very least, a thread in the general section of the JREF. Certainly not here.

TAM:)
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I'm not going to cry to mommy. I'm going to point out their bull**** and ridicule them for it.
 
CptColumbo said:
So you believe that someone giving an opinon about a portion of a group's feelings about those of a certain faith is the "moral equivalent" of expressing an opinion about all members of a group "rape little boys and then [eat] them for dinner?" Especially when you admit that the one isn't true?

You really think that is the "moral equivalent?"
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Sure. After all, I'm not making any accusations, so I can weasel my way around having to make any claims. It's just my "opinion" so you can't call me on it; back off! Nyah nyah nyah!!!
 
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