Micro Spheres in world trade center dust solved.

[twinstead]

Par,
My incredibly simple point was that if anyone - like Jones - wants to ascribe the WTC microspheres to one source - such as thermite - he or she has an ever-growing list of other possible sources to eliminate first. In other words, be problem has gotten larger.

To me it simply means that the odds of Jones being totally wrong has gotten larger. Most on this forum aren't claiming that the microspheres are from any one source in the first place.

 

[Max Photon]

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Max sometimes actually has some pretty clever and funny post titles, don't you think?

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[Max Photon]

Par-N-Twinstead - What a pair a' noids

To me it simply means that the odds of Jones being totally wrong has gotten larger.

Max to Twinstead. Come in Twinstead -- We are agreement. Repeat: We are in agreement.

Most on this forum aren't claiming that the microspheres are from any one source in the first place.

Max to Twiinstead -- Check your brain gain. Your signal is distorted. Intelligence fading.

I never ever said anyone at JREF is claiming the spheres are from one source.




It's amazing how often you guys are too busy watching your own movie to see when I'm in agreement with you.

 

[twinstead]

It's amazing how often you guys are too busy watching your own movie to see when I'm in agreement with you.

Max, Max, Max. My simple clarification of your point wasn't directed toward you; I got what you were trying to say. You have to admit there are some people, some on this very forum, who truly believe Jones has found the proverbial smoking gun to unravel the plot.

 

[bje]

I had not read Max Photons sig line untill today.


I laughed and laughed.
I hope he keeps it to show the lurkers how paranoid and delusional some troofers can be.

Amazingly, even after Max revealed this stunning deception, the experts still can't see it.

 

[CHF]

A very quick and easy way to make your very own microspheres is with a cigarette lighter! It works best if you hold the lighter more or less horizontally an inch or so above a sheet of white paper and strike the lighter several times. (Try not to set the paper on fire!) If you look closely you will see black particles on the sheet of paper which viewed with 30x magnification or more will reveal some nice metallic-looking microspheres among the debris, especially with good illumination.....

Damn....looks like a cigarette lighter took down the WTC.

Perhaps someone should submit that to the Bentham journal...

 

[Max Photon]

On the lighter side...

Damn....looks like a cigarette lighter took down the WTC.

Perhaps someone should submit that to the Bentham journal...

I tried. Zippo.

 

[Par]

You made a golf joke last time, Max; it was subpar then, as well.

I think you're projecting your suspicion onto me. Where did I say the more explanations for the phenomenon of the micro spheres, the more suspicious it becomes?

I think you're projecting your suspicion onto me. Where did I say the more explanations for the phenomenon of the micro spheres, the more suspicious it becomes?

 

[Par]

My incredibly simple point was that if anyone - like Jones - wants to ascribe the WTC microspheres to one source - such as thermite - he or she has an ever-growing list of other possible sources to eliminate first. In other words, be problem has gotten larger.

That there are many possible sources for the micro spheres indeed causes problems for anyone who wishes to conclusively identify a single source. But such an undertaking is only necessary for the conspiracy theorists. The burden of proof is on them, after all.

 

[Max Photon]

The problem is the the

I think you're projecting your suspicion onto me. Where did I say the more explanations for the phenomenon of the micro spheres, the more suspicious it becomes?

Right here...

Interestingly, creationists frequently use this model of argument: They will claim that the fossil record is full of gaps and thus challenge evolutionists to adduce evidence of a transition organism between, say, fish and amphibians. When this challenge is fulfilled and such an organism is cited, the creationists merely claim that there are now twice as many gaps in the fossil record (between fish and our transitional organism, and between our transitional organism and amphibians) and evolution is, consequently, doubly uncertain.

• Fish [GAP] Amphibians
• Fish [GAP] Transitional Organism [GAP] Amphibians

Similarly, Max is claiming that the more innocuous explanations there are for the phenomenon of the spherules, the more suspicious that phenomenon becomes.

(bold mine)


Perhaps you meant, "Max is claiming that the more innocuous the explanation for the phenomenon of the spherules, the more suspcious the phenomenon becomes."


Both are incorrect.

 

[Par]

Phantom Ox

I think you're projecting your suspicion onto me. Where did I say the more explanations for the phenomenon of the micro spheres, the more suspicious it becomes?

Right here...

Max is claiming that the more innocuous explanations there are for the phenomenon of the spherules, the more suspicious that phenomenon becomes.

No. That’s an example of me saying that you claim it; it’s not an example of me claiming it.

 

[Max Photon]

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[Par]

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Max is claiming that the more innocuous explanations there are for the phenomenon of the spherules, the more suspicious that phenomenon becomes.

Perhaps you meant, "Max is claiming that the more innocuous the explanation for the phenomenon of the spherules, the more suspcious the phenomenon becomes." Both are incorrect.

I meant what I originally said. In any event, if you genuinely believe neither of those things, then you have my apologies; I had merely misunderstood what you had said.

You seem to now be claiming, however, that this misunderstanding lays bare a detailed map of my psyche on which my repressed inner conspiracy theorist can clearly be determined. Well, if you want to believe as much, then by all means do so. It doesn’t affect the truth value of my arguments whatsoever.

Regardless, as I have said, that there are many possible sources for the micro spheres indeed causes problems for anyone who wishes to conclusively identify a single source. But such an undertaking is only necessary for the conspiracy theorists. The burden of proof is on them, after all.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

[QUOTE="Apollo20, post: 3525413, member: 16019"]

Sizzler:

I think one of the most interesting aspects of the WTC microspheres is that many exhibit a combination of mainly Fe and Al with relatively low O. Thus these particular microspheres appear to be an iron-aluminum alloy. This is difficult to explain in terms of production from welding or cutting debris.

It is also important to note that the composition of thermite reaction residues depends on the stoichiometry of the reactants. For example, a 1:1 mass ratio of Al and Fe2O3 yields Al2O3 and Al2Fe in a 1:2 ratio; however, a 1:3 mass ratio of Al and Fe2O3 yields Al2O3 and Fe in a 1:1 ratio. Interestingly, if Fe is well in excess as in a 1:4 Al:Fe2O3 starting ratio, no Al2O3 is formed but instead we get FeAl2O4 which is the
mineral phase hercynite.

This is why an X-ray diffraction analysis of the microspheres would be useful.

In any case, the microspheres reported by Jones (so far!) appear to be quite low in aluminum, say typically less than 12 at % Al, which is NOT consistent with the compositions noted above.

Finally I should mention that spherical Al2O3 particles are found as inclusions in thermite welds so you would expect to see Al2O3 microspheres in thermite reaction residues. I believe Al2O3 particles are conspicuous by their absence in Jones' samples.[/QUOTE]

I agree, the lack of Al203 is conspicuous, ex specially since Joneses theories rely on thermite powered oxygen cutting devices!
Not only should Al203 be abundant when such devices are used, but Fe3O4 as well should be evident in great abundance.

I must point out though, that nano aluminum would produce Al203-Fe micro spheres.

Thermite powered oxygen cutting would produce Al203-Fe3O4 micro spheres.

Electrical arching can produce Al-Fe micro spheres with very little oxygen, because the spark produced expands the air away from the particles preventing the Al-Fe from undergoing oxidation with atmospheric oxygen.

Micro spheres produced though Electrical arching in circuits could be built up over years though.

An X-ray diffraction analysis is the only way to tell what the micro spheres actually are composed of and to give an indication of the actual source.

I now believe the Micro Spheres to be a wild thermite goose chase, however I will give Jones the benefit of the doubt until the Diffraction analysis is done.

I really wish Jones would actually build a thermite oxygen cutter and test it to see if it matched the evidence, that he has and of the cut patterns on the columns that he says were cut with one, it would save us all a lot of time.

Well Dr. Jones I await the Diffraction Analysis, hope you will publish it before I die of boredom.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Perhaps Apollo, you could ask Jones if he has had an X-ray Diffraction analysis performed on his "evidence".
Would not a person so convinced of their "evidence" have used the process of elimination to erase any doubt?

 

[MIKILLINI]

Damn....looks like a cigarette lighter took down the WTC.

Perhaps someone should submit that to the Bentham journal...

I would say there was probably more than one lighter on the planes.