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Mad about Cows

Puppycow

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Gosh. I thought the Japanese were mad about American cows. They've got nothing on the Koreans.

Koreans are mad as hell about mad cow disease and they aren't going to take it anymore.

June 10 (Bloomberg) -- South Korea's cabinet offered to resign ahead of a nationwide rally against the resumption of U.S. beef imports that protesters said may draw 1 million people.

Prime Minister Han Seung Soo and 15 cabinet members are prepared to step down to take responsibility for the dispute, presidential spokesman Lee Dong Kwan told reporters today in Seoul. He didn't say whether President Lee Myung Bak, a target of demonstrators, would accept the resignations less than four months after he took office.

Lee agreed in April to lift a ban imposed to prevent the possible spread of mad cow disease to win support from American lawmakers for a wider free-trade accord. The resulting public backlash cut his approval rating in half, prompting accusations the former construction executive lacked the political skill to calm public health concerns.
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AntiMadCow

About 1 million people may gather in major cities today, the 21st anniversary of a 1987 pro-democracy protest, according to the Web site of AntiMadCow, an umbrella organization of South Korean consumer groups, food safety advocates and student activists.
Like in Japan, apparantly "consumer groups" are groups that want to prevent consumers from buying taboo products, like Evil American Mad Cows.
``With regard to the candle-lit vigils tonight, the people's safety is the No.1 priority,'' Lee told ministers today, according to a statement on the presidential Web site.

``I am doing this for my child,'' said Lee Sun Hwa, a housewife who has a 5-year-old child. ``If he's the president, he should listen to his people, but he only listens to the U.S.''
You Go Girl! That hardly any food safety problems have occurred since the disease and its causes have been identified and steps taken to prevent infected meat from reaching the public is beside the point! Evil American Mad Cows must be stopped at all costs!
 
The Korean Domestic Beef Board chair respectfully offered the printouts of the latest update to one of the Korean beef barons. It described the stunning growth of the mad cow danger meme, and how it had been so overwhelming successful that politicians were threatening to resign rather than risk their future political careers.

"Here, sir."

The baron scanned the tables and charts, and leaned back in his chair. "Thank you. You are dismissed."

As the bureaucrat closed the door behind him, the baron swiveled and looked out the rainy window. Yes, the sun was shining on him, and brighter than ever before. Beef prices would continue to skyrocket, all the while as the hoi polloi demanded continued scarcity of their beef due to a chimera, aided by politicians as never before. It would be years, perhaps even a decade, before the markets were re-opened.

He sighed. His visit to his mistress this evening would be extra special.
 
Americans have no right to get their panties in a bunch over this one, what after having closed the border to Canadian beef farmers for years, after one incident.
 
Looking at the numbers, less than 300 people have ever contracted this disease, most in the UK. Three Americans have (I assume from British beef consumed before the cause of this disease was known).

No Korean has ever had this disease. One Japanese man (known to have travelled to Britian) had it.

This is about as dangerous (now) as Fan death.

And it's not like people have to buy it. I'll bet their "traditional Korean medicines" are a lot more dangerous than beef. Here in Japan, some people recently died from traditional Chinese medicines (Kanpo), which are popular here.
 
Americans have no right to get their panties in a bunch over this one, what after having closed the border to Canadian beef farmers for years, after one incident.

I don't care. I just find it amusing that people get so worked up over nothing. As a consumer I'd be happy to eat Canadian beef.

The people that are paying the price are mostly the Koreans themselves.
 
And the US ban wasn't caused by massive protests. These protesters sound like the same type of people who block GM food going to starving African countries because they say it'll turn them into mutants.
 
He sighed. His visit to his mistress this evening would be extra special.

Episode XIII...

Later that very evening, the paid lackey of the Australian beef interests began sewing a very interesting supplement into the baron's own premium herd, the one he used with his flamboyant western-style bar-B-Qs he so often hosted for his friends and business associates...

[Sorry for the "Australian" - just needed some descriptive spice there.]
 
I lived in South Korea for 3.5 years up until last August, and I've been following this pretty closely in the Korean papers, as well as on expat blogs and a lot of friends who are still there (Korean and non-Korean). Here's a few personal observations and opinions:

1) Lee Myung-Bak, the current President, was recently elected with the largest margin in Korean history. He replaced a very liberal President, Roh Moo-Hyun. The leftists in Korea are not happy about it, and have found a great opportunity to whip up the public frenzy against him. Lee Myung-Bak can't renegotiate the beef deal and they know it, so they'll just continue this until it either burns itself out or his administration is crippled for the next 5 years.

2) The U.S. and Korea negotiated an FTA last year. Both countries' leaders are trying to get it ratified. The U.S. Congress has made it clear it will not pass unless Korea opens up its market to U.S. beef (and, in fairness, they don't really have a choice. The OIE ruled U.S. beef safe, and Korea doesn't have a legal leg to stand on in trying to keep it banned). The Korean left is opposed to U.S. beef imports and the FTA. If they kill U.S. Beef Imports, they kill the FTA -- and get to seriously damage Lee Myung Bak's presidency as well. It's a win-win-win for them.

3) Last month, MBC (a big Korean TV station) aired a program that claimed, amongst other complete and unscientific BS, that Koreans had a gene that made them more susceptible to Mad Cow Disease (or CJD) than Americans or Europeans. That, more than anything, was the catalyst for the current mass-hysteria. That followed with a huge outcry from Korean "netizens" (many of whom were High School or Middle school students, believe it or not), which included even more ridiculous, BS rumors such as that the U.S. was only exporting beef to Korea that Americans wouldn't eat themselves (and that rumor even went further and later became "Americans want to export beef to Korea that Americans can't legally feed to their pets"). Take an already combustible situation and throw a lot of people with very questionable political motivations (for another example, see the 2002 schoolgirl death protests, which followed a very similar pattern) and you have a great recipe for massive protests based on very little substantive issues.

4) The protests have become a great example of after-the-fact justification and circular logic. The original reason for the protests was the Mad Cow Hysteria. But since it is clear that the original reason was based on complete nonsense, the reason for protesting has morphed into, "We're angry at Lee Myung-Bak for being arrogant and ignoring the public's health concerns." For that to make sense, of course, there would have to actually be a health concern. So you end up with one big circle: The protests invent a reason to protest, get mad when the President ignores them, then claim that his ignoring them is why they protested in the first place (rather than Mad Cow hysteria).

5) Believe it or not, when this whole fiasco started, Lee had been in office less than 60 days (he's at around 100 days now). The decision to import U.S. beef again, and the FTA, were both made by his predecessor. Incredibly, people claim to now be protesting his overall policies -- for a guy who hadn't even been in office 3 months!

6) I'd wager there are far more Koreans who thing this whole thing is ridiculous than are being reported, but many of them are afraid to speak up. Newspapers (e.g. Chosun Ilbo, Dong-A Ilbo, and so on) that have dared air opposing views have had their advertisers subject to some pretty nasty harassment, boycott threats, and so forth. A talk show host who tried to advocate an opposing view (Jeong Seon-Hee for those curious) was essentially browbeaten into apologizing and had to cancel several subsequent shows because of it.

7) Korea is actually lucky that most Americans pay scant attention to it. Imagine if this was France doing the same thing. I'm sure there'd be an uproar here. So far, however, I can't say I've heard of any calls to boycott Hyundai or Samsung.

8) I love Korea. I loved being there, I love the food, the culture, and some of my closest friends are Korean. But this fiasco has become an embarrassment. Like I said, they are actually lucky most Americans don't pay much attention to them to begin with. What's amazing is that Korea actually has a lot of reason to claim it ought to be considered a major U.S. ally. It sent hundreds of thousands of Soldiers to Vietnam (more than any other ally), it had the second largest force in Iraq and Soldiers in Afghanistan, and it sends more students abroad to study in the U.S. than any other country. Yet, it always manages to shoot itself in the foot and reinforce an image that it is an "anti-American" country -- and over incredibly stupid things. Heck, France and Germany had good reason to not support the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and if that resulted in a backlash, so be it. But Korea actually has stuck by the U.S. in quite a few major world issues, including Iraq -- and then picks "Mad Cow Disease" as a reason to kick and scream.
 
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Once again demonstrating that the act of protesting is utterly foolish and that protesters are themselves always absolutely retarded.
 
I lived in South Korea for 3.5 years up until last August, and I've been following this pretty closely in the Korean papers, as well as on expat blogs and a lot of friends who are still there (Korean and non-Korean). Here's a few personal observations and opinions:

1) Lee Myung-Bak, the current President, was recently elected with the largest margin in Korean history. He replaced a very liberal President, Roh Moo-Hyun. The leftists in Korea are not happy about it, and have found a great opportunity to whip up the public frenzy against him. Lee Myung-Bak can't renegotiate the beef deal and they know it, so they'll just continue this until it either burns itself out or his administration is crippled for the next 5 years.

2) The U.S. and Korea negotiated an FTA last year. Both countries' leaders are trying to get it ratified. The U.S. Congress has made it clear it will not pass unless Korea opens up its market to U.S. beef (and, in fairness, they don't really have a choice. The OIE ruled U.S. beef safe, and Korea doesn't have a legal leg to stand on in trying to keep it banned). The Korean left is opposed to U.S. beef imports and the FTA. If they kill U.S. Beef Imports, they kill the FTA -- and get to seriously damage Lee Myung Bak's presidency as well. It's a win-win-win for them.

3) Last month, MBC (a big Korean TV station) aired a program that claimed, amongst other complete and unscientific BS, that Koreans had a gene that made them more susceptible to Mad Cow Disease (or CJD) than Americans or Europeans. That, more than anything, was the catalyst for the current mass-hysteria. That followed with a huge outcry from Korean "netizens" (many of whom were High School or Middle school students, believe it or not), which included even more ridiculous, BS rumors such as that the U.S. was only exporting beef to Korea that Americans wouldn't eat themselves (and that rumor even went further and later became "Americans want to export beef to Korea that Americans can't legally feed to their pets"). Take an already combustible situation and throw a lot of people with very questionable political motivations (for another example, see the 2002 schoolgirl death protests, which followed a very similar pattern) and you have a great recipe for massive protests based on very little substantive issues.

4) The protests have become a great example of after-the-fact justification and circular logic. The original reason for the protests was the Mad Cow Hysteria. But since it is clear that the original reason was based on complete nonsense, the reason for protesting has morphed into, "We're angry at Lee Myung-Bak for being arrogant and ignoring the public's health concerns." For that to make sense, of course, there would have to actually be a health concern. So you end up with one big circle: The protests invent a reason to protest, get mad when the President ignores them, then claim that his ignoring them is why they protested in the first place (rather than Mad Cow hysteria).

5) Believe it or not, when this whole fiasco started, Lee had been in office less than 60 days (he's at around 100 days now). The decision to import U.S. beef again, and the FTA, were both made by his predecessor. Incredibly, people claim to now be protesting his overall policies -- for a guy who hadn't even been in office 3 months!

6) I'd wager there are far more Koreans who thing this whole thing is ridiculous than are being reported, but many of them are afraid to speak up. Newspapers (e.g. Chosun Ilbo, Dong-A Ilbo, and so on) that have dared air opposing views have had their advertisers subject to some pretty nasty harassment, boycott threats, and so forth. A talk show host who tried to advocate an opposing view (Jeong Seon-Hee for those curious) was essentially browbeaten into apologizing and had to cancel several subsequent shows because of it.

7) Korea is actually lucky that most Americans pay scant attention to it. Imagine if this was France doing the same thing. I'm sure there'd be an uproar here. So far, however, I can't say I've heard of any calls to boycott Hyundai or Samsung.

8) I love Korea. I loved being there, I love the food, the culture, and some of my closest friends are Korean. But this fiasco has become an embarrassment. Like I said, they are actually lucky most Americans don't pay much attention to them to begin with. What's amazing is that Korea actually has a lot of reason to claim it ought to be considered a major U.S. ally. It sent hundreds of thousands of Soldiers to Vietnam (more than any other ally), it had the second largest force in Iraq and Soldiers in Afghanistan, and it sends more students abroad to study in the U.S. than any other country. Yet, it always manages to shoot itself in the foot and reinforce an image that it is an "anti-American" country -- and over incredibly stupid things. Heck, France and Germany had good reason to not support the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and if that resulted in a backlash, so be it. But Korea actually has stuck by the U.S. in quite a few major world issues, including Iraq -- and then picks "Mad Cow Disease" as a reason to kick and scream.

Staggering. :jaw-dropp :bwall

Thanks for your perspective. Numbers 3 and 6 are particularly troubling. As to number 7, I had only heard snippets of news about popular sentiment being against the FTA. There is anti-trade protectionist sentiment in every country including the US, so I didn't really think too much of it. There was a similar thing in Japan, but not to such crazy extremes, and beef imports have since resumed and the controversy seems to be dying down.

Except that the news media here considers it national news if food inspectors find a single part that's not supposed to be there in a shipment. It doesn't have to actually reach consumers.

It can be an unofficial trade barrier when the media runs scare stories about imported food. Not saying it's all illegitimate. There are actual cases of food safety problems. Some people actually got sick from a chemical in a bad batch of food imported from China recently. What is lacking is perspective. What ratio are we talking about, and how does it compare to domestic food?
 
Once again demonstrating that the act of protesting is utterly foolish and that protesters are themselves always absolutely retarded.

These days it seems that way, but back in the civil rights era and during the Vietnam war, I think it was legitimate (in many cases, anyway).
 
These days it seems that way, but back in the civil rights era and during the Vietnam war, I think it was legitimate (in many cases, anyway).

The days of substantial and productive protesting are long gone. Now is the time of protesting light poles, regular ones mind you, for being "too phallic" something that actually happened when I was in college.
 
These days it seems that way, but back in the civil rights era and during the Vietnam war, I think it was legitimate (in many cases, anyway).

Aye, when I were marching on Washington and refusing induction into the US Army, them were the days.

I wish I had a copy of the full confession I wrote on US Army stationery after my little personal massacree, in which I really did offer to come back as often as they wished to refuse induction again. They never wrote, they never called.

When I arrived at the induction center on North Broad St in Philadelphia that day, in the shadow of the statue of the famous Quaker William Penn on City Hall, I handed the friendly sergeant a document I had written the night before "Notice of Intent to Commit Felony".

It was only 2 years and 8 days later when the US Marshalls arrested me on a federal warrant. My own personal massacree was on August 23, 1968 and I was arrested at the Sears, Roebuck and Company store where I was working on August 31, 1970. They were sort of backed up with hippie peacenik cases at the time. I believe my ACLU lawyer said they had a backlog of 50,000 cases. That is a movement, and it did get noticed.

I never saw a bench with a sign that said Group W on it though.

Now about these Korean issues with 'Merikan beef, would that not tend to drive the price of beef down for 'Merikan meat eaters?
 
Now about these Korean issues with 'Merikan beef, would that not tend to drive the price of beef down for 'Merikan meat eaters?

Yes, but I don't know if it would be enough to notice. Since it is a relatively small country and who knows how much US beef they used to import before this brouhaha.
 
Is the link between Mad Cow Decease and CJD firmly established? I know that they exhibit themselves similarly, but is it certain that you can catch CJD from the prions involved with MCD?
 
Is the link between Mad Cow Decease and CJD firmly established? I know that they exhibit themselves similarly, but is it certain that you can catch CJD from the prions involved with MCD?

Not my area of expertise, but I know of no reason to doubt it. Actually according to Wikipedia, it's vCJD that is linked, a variant of CJD, which is not necessarily caused by BSE.
 

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