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6 Aug 2001 PDB for ronpaulisright

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Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate bin Laden since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."

After U.S. missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, bin Laden told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a -- -- service.

An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told - - service at the same time that bin Laden was planning to exploit the operative's access to the U.S. to mount a terrorist strike.

The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of bin Laden's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the U.S.

Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that in ---, Laden lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own U.S. attack.

Ressam says bin Laden was aware of the Los Angeles operation. Although Bin Laden has not succeeded, his attacks against the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Laden associates surveyed our embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.

Al Qaeda members -- including some who are U.S. citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the U.S. for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks.

Two al-Qaeda members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were U.S. citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.

A clandestine source said in 1998 that a bin Laden cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.

We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a ---- service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.
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Please explain how this indicates what you think it does,or probably more accurately what a conspiracy website told you to think it means.



http://http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/index.htm
 
They knew about it and did absolutely nothing to protect the American people from a potential threat. A strong national defense is a good thing.

Don't you think?
 
They knew about it and did absolutely nothing to protect the American people from a potential threat. A strong national defense is a good thing.

Don't you think?

Um, they knew that Bin Laden wanted to try to perpetrate a terrorist attack within US border. Where does it say, anywhere, that four teams of Al Qaeda operatives were going to hijack commercial airliners from Newark, Logan, and Dulles airports in early September 2001 and ram them like missiles into the World Trade Center towers or any other tall building in NYC and the Pentagon in D.C.?

The US government had intelligence that Al Qaeda was plotting an attack, possibly within US borders and possibly involving hijackings or possibly a bombing involving a federal building in NYC, that might take place sometime during the summer of 2001. What exactly do you do about that kind of vague threat? Shut down the whole country and tell everybody to stay home until all the bad people in the world are dead or in prison?
 
OK, I'm curious. What is RPiR's take on Jake Brahm? I'm hoping he surprises me with his consistence and says the idiot deserves the jail time he got and then some.
 
OK, I'm curious. What is RPiR's take on Jake Brahm? I'm hoping he surprises me with his consistence and says the idiot deserves the jail time he got and then some.

That kid is an idiot.

I don't like the department of homeland security because it's not constitutional.

I have freedom of speech and I will use it until the wheels fall off.
 
"Um, they knew that Bin Laden wanted to try to perpetrate a terrorist attack within US border."


Correct. Why are you on the side of the monsters that brought you the patriot act, the Iraq War, The invasion and destruction of afghanistan, record gas prices, and the PATRIOT ACT?
 
Of course not.

But a strong national defense is a good thing.

Right?

Yes.

or

No.
It's not a yes or no question when it comes to what you might have to do to prevent attacks that you have no actionable information on.

Should we have rounded up every middle easterner that might be connected to Al Qaeda? How about that guy down the block that wheres the "towel on his head"? Maybe we should have "locked down" the borders.

Maybe we should have enacted the "Patriot act" sooner. What do you think?
 
They knew about it and did absolutely nothing to protect the American people from a potential threat. A strong national defense is a good thing.

Don't you think?


Did you miss this part?
"The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related."

What more do you want them to do?Ground all planes til everyone swarthier than Erik Estrada is expelled from the country?
 
That kid is an idiot.

I don't like the department of homeland security because it's not constitutional.

I have freedom of speech and I will use it until the wheels fall off.

I would like for you to explain how the Department of Homeland Security is unconstitutional.

Or is everything you don't like just deemed "unconstitutional"?

Are debunkers unconstitutional? How about homosexuals?
 
Paul Craig Roberts on the unconstitutionality of the Dept of Homeland Security

I would like for you to explain how the Department of Homeland Security is unconstitutional.

Or is everything you don't like just deemed "unconstitutional"?

Are debunkers unconstitutional? How about homosexuals?


Totovader,

This article addresses your question.

Legislating Tyranny, by Paul Craig Roberts. (Here is a list of his articles.)

"On May 9, 2007, President Bush signed the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive. If in the president’s opinion a “catastrophic emergency” occurs, the directive places all governmental power in the hands of the president, effectively abolishing the checks and balances in the Constitution."

And it's ironic that you asked if debunkers and homosexuals are next to be deemed unconstitutional.

"The ease with which Al-Arian was transformed into a terrorist should be a lesson to us all. People in charge of Homeland Security are no less inclined than police and prosecutors to make expansive interpretations of their mandate and what constitutes terrorism and suspect behavior. On May 28, 2007, the Associated Press reported that the Alabama Department of Homeland Security had included among terrorist groups listed on its Web site environmentalists, antiwar protesters, abortion opponents, and gay- and animal-rights advocates. It is an ancient practice of government to hype fear in order to gain arbitrary power that can be turned against anyone. Perhaps this expansive definition of terrorist explains the eighty thousand names on the government’s no-fly list."
 
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Totovader,

This article addresses your question.

Legislating Tyranny, by Paul Craig Roberts. (Here is a list of his articles.)

"On May 9, 2007, President Bush signed the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive. If in the president’s opinion a “catastrophic emergency” occurs, the directive places all governmental power in the hands of the president, effectively abolishing the checks and balances in the Constitution."
Have you read this Executive order, or do you take Paul Craig Robert's word for what it entails?

On May 28, 2007, the Associated Press reported that the Alabama Department of Homeland Security had included among terrorist groups listed on its Web site environmentalists,
Such as these guys?

antiwar protesters,
Was this terrorism?

abortion opponents,
You don't think Eric Rudolph was a terrorist?

animal-rights advocates.
You don't think there is such a threat?

What's your point here Max? You rail on here about the things that are being done about terrorism post-9/11, yet you areupset about things which weren't done prior? What, exactly, do you think should have been done prior?
 
animal-rights advocates.

Wow, you actually think that the animal-rights advocates are good people?

They firebombed research labs, vandalized restaurants, threatened cooks/scientists/pet owners..

Worst part is they even kill (sorry, euthanize) animals, some of them being pets stolen from their owners. I would definitely consider them terrorists. I'm surprised PETA is still around.
 
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Totovader,

This article addresses your question.

Legislating Tyranny, by Paul Craig Roberts. (Here is a list of his articles.)

"On May 9, 2007, President Bush signed the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive. If in the president’s opinion a “catastrophic emergency” occurs, the directive places all governmental power in the hands of the president, effectively abolishing the checks and balances in the Constitution."

And it's ironic that you asked if debunkers and homosexuals are next to be deemed unconstitutional.

"The ease with which Al-Arian was transformed into a terrorist should be a lesson to us all. People in charge of Homeland Security are no less inclined than police and prosecutors to make expansive interpretations of their mandate and what constitutes terrorism and suspect behavior. On May 28, 2007, the Associated Press reported that the Alabama Department of Homeland Security had included among terrorist groups listed on its Web site environmentalists, antiwar protesters, abortion opponents, and gay- and animal-rights advocates. It is an ancient practice of government to hype fear in order to gain arbitrary power that can be turned against anyone. Perhaps this expansive definition of terrorist explains the eighty thousand names on the government’s no-fly list."

That doesn't answer my question.
 
If you read the 6 August PDB it pretty much says:

"Three years ago Osama Bin Laden wanted to attack the USA, and he probably still does, but don't worry, the FBI's all over it."

How anyone can determine LIHOP from that, I do not know.
 
Wow, you actually think that the animal-rights advocates are good people?

They firebombed research labs, vandalized restaurants, threatened cooks/scientists/pet owners..

Worst part is they even kill (sorry, euthanize) animals, some of them being pets stolen from their owners. I would definitely consider them terrorists. I'm surprised PETA is still around.

Not all animal rights advocates are terrorists, but there is a fringe element which is, and a major problem I have with PETA and similair groups is that they play a cute little game of supporting the groups right up to the point where they might become legally culpable then they back down..a little.
The founder of PETA is a scary person. Penn and Teller did a really scary show on PETA and she was the scariest thing about it. A textbook defination of a total fanatic.
 
Wow, you actually think that the animal-rights advocates are good people?

They firebombed research labs, vandalized restaurants, threatened cooks/scientists/pet owners..

Worst part is they even kill (sorry, euthanize) animals, some of them being pets stolen from their owners. I would definitely consider them terrorists. I'm surprised PETA is still around.

There waa a great HBO documentary on the founder of PETA.
I entered watching it with really no opinion one way or another on PETA.
I left thinking that she (sorry her name escapes me) was one of the coldest human beings out there.
I seemed to remember one segment where she said that when she was growing up she had more animal friends then human friends.
 

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