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Flight 93

Unchained Spirit said:
Who's the one grasping at straws here? Have you even *read* the account of the marina owner and employees? I didn't think so, because they stated that "All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom,"
http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_secondary_debris_field.html

Please familiarize yourself with a subject before you comment on it again...

Thanks
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Thanks for providing a perfect example of my previous comments.
 
What would be the impact energy of UA93 compared with a bomb detonation?

I'm just curious because I've personally been physically "pushed" by the detonation of a 1,000lb bomb at 1 mile distance, and I'm thinking UA93's impact is going to be much greater than that. Shaking buildings a couple of miles away seems thoroughly plausible.
 
gumboot said:
What would be the impact energy of UA93 compared with a bomb detonation?

I'm just curious because I've personally been physically "pushed" by the detonation of a 1,000lb bomb at 1 mile distance, and I'm thinking UA93's impact is going to be much greater than that. Shaking buildings a couple of miles away seems thoroughly plausible.
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Just to remind you....UA 93 wasn't travelling at 36,000mph:D
 
gumboot said:
What would be the impact energy of UA93 compared with a bomb detonation?

I'm just curious because I've personally been physically "pushed" by the detonation of a 1,000lb bomb at 1 mile distance, and I'm thinking UA93's impact is going to be much greater than that. Shaking buildings a couple of miles away seems thoroughly plausible.
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Wow! *Another* one that can't comprehend what they read! I'm shocked! Really... no, really... I'm shocked.

What part of "The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom," did you NOT understand? Please tell me so I can try to put it in more simple terms for you so you can understand it. Or do ypu prefer to do your shilling blindly, oblivious to facts?
 
Unchained Spirit said:
Wow! *Another* one that can't comprehend what they read! I'm shocked! Really... no, really... I'm shocked.

What part of "The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom," did you NOT understand? Please tell me so I can try to put it in more simple terms for you so you can understand it. Or do ypu prefer to do your shilling blindly, oblivious to facts?
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I understand it all perfectly. What's your point?
 
theauthor said:
You are part of a movement that has to rely on witnesses to explain a building collapse. You cant produce a single photo of a fire in this building but you can produce reams of witnesses, and of course none of those witnesses are confused.
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I'm part of a movement? Wow... had no idea. What are our goals?

Anyway... Nope, I'm relying on physical evidence, published reports, & witnesses to explain a building collapse.
 
gumboot said:
I understand it all perfectly. What's your point?
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gumboot: "Shaking buildings a couple of miles away seems thoroughly plausible."

No, you *don't* understand it perfectly. Please explain exactly *how* the building would shake BEFORE the explosion.

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gc051360 said:
What is your point?
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My point is that he can't comprehend the fact that the building shook BEFORE the explosion.

What's yours? Do you have anything intelligent to add to the conversation, or are you just here for (bad) comic relief?
 
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Unchained Spirit said:
My point is that he can't comprehend the fact that the building shook BEFORE the explosion.
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Ok. What caused it to shake?

What's yours? Do you have anything intelligent to add to the conversation, or are you just here for (bad) comic relief?
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I'll add something intelligent to the conversation, as soon as you do.
 
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gumboot said:
It wouldn't. Now what's your point?
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Then what was the purpose of your other comment?

Originally Posted by gumboot
What would be the impact energy of UA93 compared with a bomb detonation?

I'm just curious because I've personally been physically "pushed" by the detonation of a 1,000lb bomb at 1 mile distance, and I'm thinking UA93's impact is going to be much greater than that. Shaking buildings a couple of miles away seems thoroughly plausible.
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You seem to be implying that the building shook AFTER the explosion. If not, my apologies, and then I would have to ask: what was YOUR point in making that statement?
 
Unchained Spirit said:
gumboot: "Shaking buildings a couple of miles away seems thoroughly plausible."

No, you *don't* understand it perfectly. Please explain exactly *how* the building would shake BEFORE the explosion.

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Ummmm....a little basic physics. Shock waves travel faster through solid materials than they do through air. It is entirely plausible that the shock from the impact was felt (being transmitted through the ground) before the sound of the impact (the explosion) was heard.
 
OldTigerCub said:
Ummmm....a little basic physics. Shock waves travel faster through solid materials than they do through air. It is entirely plausible that the shock from the impact was felt (being transmitted through the ground) before the sound of the impact (the explosion) was heard.
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**Snort**

"All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom,"

Please continue with your "basic physics". Do fireball mushrooms travel slower, too? How long would it take these shockwaves to travel the distance to the marina? Also, let's keep in mind that the marina was 2.5 miles away, as the crow flies, and on the opposite side of the lake. The distance of 1.5 miles that is touted is to the nearest shore of the lake, on the same side as the impact crater. Also, wouldn't shockwaves felt 2.5 miles away kind of... oh, I don't know,... *level* buildings/houses closest to the impact?
 
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