Nuclear powered cars

Political liabilities aside, the energy density for that set-up just isn't there.

Strictly speaking, it's the power density which isn't there. Given how long those last, there's actually plenty of useable energy there, you just can't ramp up the output rate enough.

A much better solution is for a vast array of nuke plants to manufacturer syn-fuel.

That's pretty much the idea behind hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Storage and transport is tougher than more conventional fuels, but generation efficiencies are much higher.
 
And if you leave that old beater to rust in the back of the farm, you soon have three-eyed fish...
 
Practically speaking, I don't see how I could afford the car insurance.
 
Even the smallest reactors out there (the sort used in nuclear submarines) are way too big.

No, that's the neutron shielding.

Unless someone miraculously gets cold fusion to work (not holding out for that one personally), there's no reason to suspect that this will change in the foreseeable future.

Fusion neutrons tend to be awfully energetic; unless you can get some aneutronic fusion reaction to work the shielding required would be even thicker. Even then you'll need some shielding if cold fusion is anything like hot fusion(even aneutronic fusion tends to have side reactions that produce a few neutrons).
 
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No, that's the neutron shielding.

I kind of meant a 'reactor' in terms of what would be a usable unit for generating power, shielding and all.

Fusion neutrons tend to be awfully energetic; unless you can get some aneutronic fusion reaction to work the shielding required would be even thicker. Even then you'll need some shielding if cold fusion is anything like hot fusion(even aneutronic fusion tends to have side reactions that produce a few neutrons).

Yeah, quite. Fleischmann and Pons reckoned they had achieved fusion without the neutrons back in 1989. Shame it turned out to be a load of rubbish.
 
Ok, so it's pretty farfetched. I guess it would take a major discovery about nuclear power to get it to work (and i don't mean cold fusion!). I know very little about science, so I thought I'd ask.
 
Even if something like the Nucleon were practical, wouldn't the danger of letting radioactive materials be sold to the general public be a deal-breaker? Talk about nuclear proliferation. Couldn't such materials be weaponized?

ETA: I think that's why only Navy ships are nuclear powered, not civilian ships.
 
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Nuclear power is good for constant power output. Cars want variable output. So the only way you could get a nuclear powered car is to have a hybrid car.

Then there are the other problems you have already mentioned. Weight, safety.

Edit. You would also want to use your car 24 hours a day for for 7 days a week. Not what most people do, even taxis and trucks have days off.
 
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And lets not forget our good friend Dr. Steven E. Jones was deep into that debacle too...

Well, his brand of cold fusion supposedly gave off neutrons but no excessive heat, which would have been even less useful for cars.
 
Even if something like the Nucleon were practical, wouldn't the danger of letting radioactive materials be sold to the general public be a deal-breaker? Talk about nuclear proliferation. Couldn't such materials be weaponized?

These are the concerns that seem to be raised the most, but they're completely unfounded. You can't make nuclear weapons out of radioactive stuff, you need seriously enriched uranium or plutonium for them. Even normal nuclear power stations don't contain or produce anything useful for weapons, and the output from breeder reactors still needs a lot of work before it can be useful.

As for the potential for dirty bombs and so on, there's already plenty of radioactive material around. Maybe scrapyards full of old nuclear cars would be a place to find radioactive material for a dirty bomb, but they would be just one place among many that already exist.

ETA: I think that's why only Navy ships are nuclear powered, not civilian ships.

Not really, it's mainly the cost that's the problem. Nuclear powered ships are more expensive both to build and to run, and they don't really have any advantages that would be useful to civilians. Being able to run a long time with no outside contact and being quiet and hard to detect are great if you're a submarine in enemy territory, but fairly pointless if you're a car ferry.
 
These are the concerns that seem to be raised the most, but they're completely unfounded. You can't make nuclear weapons out of radioactive stuff, you need seriously enriched uranium or plutonium for them. Even normal nuclear power stations don't contain or produce anything useful for weapons, and the output from breeder reactors still needs a lot of work before it can be useful.

As for the potential for dirty bombs and so on, there's already plenty of radioactive material around. Maybe scrapyards full of old nuclear cars would be a place to find radioactive material for a dirty bomb, but they would be just one place among many that already exist.

Alarmist maybe, but I wouldn't call them completely unfounded. Material from spent fuel or decommissioned reactor cores is a bit more hardcore than your average radioactive material that you might find lying around somewhere. The stuff has to sit in ponds for several months after they are taken out to let some of the more active stuff fizzle out before you can even begin to deal with it. Some countries bury the spent fuel but if it is reprocessed, the waste generated is even more radioactive still - this is so dangerous it simply has to be stored in a very safe place indefinitely. Besides the fact that the overall radioactivity is greater, it has some specific nasties in it such as radioactive iodine, strontium and plutonium, which due to their chemical properties are easily absorbed by the body and cause many times more damage compared to other substances of similar activity.

Commercial reactors are perfectly capable of producing weapons-grade plutonium if the fuel is taken out at the right time. The only difference is that it is more commercially viable to leave them in longer when it is being used for electricity generation. Although granted, you'd still need the right facilities to reprocess the spent fuel. Also, a fact not widely advertised is that the reactors used in nuclear submarines actually use a very highly enriched uranium as their fuel, sometimes as much as 90% fissile, which is enough to make bombs with.

Regarding getting hold of radioactive materials, I'm not sure how the laws work wherever you are, but the ones in the UK are highly restrictive regarding anything radioactive in terms of accountability and the like. We use some embarrassingly weak sources at work (<10 mCu beta) and they still have to all be signed in and out and kept in a safe when not being used and stuff. If any go missing, we get prosecuted. And of course, that's just the laws regarding the non-fissile material. You should see the legislation governing fissile material...
 
Alarmist maybe, but I wouldn't call them completely unfounded. Material from spent fuel or decommissioned reactor cores is a bit more hardcore than your average radioactive material that you might find lying around somewhere. The stuff has to sit in ponds for several months after they are taken out to let some of the more active stuff fizzle out before you can even begin to deal with it. Some countries bury the spent fuel but if it is reprocessed, the waste generated is even more radioactive still - this is so dangerous it simply has to be stored in a very safe place indefinitely.

This is a bit mixed up. Waste doesn't need to be stored indefinitely because it is more radioactive. That doesn't even make sense. The more radioactive something is, the faster it becomes safe. The stuff that needs storing for a long time is actually not particularly active, which is precisely why it needs storing for so long - it will still be not particularly active in a thousand years, when more active material will have long since decayed.

But that's all pretty much beside the point, because no matter how radioactive the waste is, you can't make a nuclear weapon out of it.

Commercial reactors are perfectly capable of producing weapons-grade plutonium if the fuel is taken out at the right time. The only difference is that it is more commercially viable to leave them in longer when it is being used for electricity generation. Although granted, you'd still need the right facilities to reprocess the spent fuel.

Firstly, most commercial reactors are thermal, not fast, reactors, so they're a long way from producing significant amounts of plutonium. Secondly, so what? If you're already capable of playing around with reactors to get plutonium and reprocessing it to get weapons grade, you can do so already. Putting a few reactors in cars won't make any difference here.

Also, a fact not widely advertised is that the reactors used in nuclear submarines actually use a very highly enriched uranium as their fuel, sometimes as much as 90% fissile, which is enough to make bombs with.

Again, so what? What does that have to do with nuclear powered cars? I completely agree that making weapons grade fissle material freely available to the general public would be a fairly silly idea, but that's not what anyone has suggested. At least I certainly hope they haven't.

Regarding getting hold of radioactive materials, I'm not sure how the laws work wherever you are, but the ones in the UK are highly restrictive regarding anything radioactive in terms of accountability and the like. We use some embarrassingly weak sources at work (<10 mCu beta) and they still have to all be signed in and out and kept in a safe when not being used and stuff. If any go missing, we get prosecuted. And of course, that's just the laws regarding the non-fissile material. You should see the legislation governing fissile material...

The laws governing radioactive materials in the UK are so strict that until a few years ago it was dumped straight out of hospitals and onto bathing beaches. There's plenty of accountability, but very little security. Heck, if you really want to make a dirty bomb you can just order a bunch of smoke alarms. Nuclear cars might mean more radioactive stuff around, but it's really not that hard for someone to get hold of plenty right now anyway.
 
This is a bit mixed up. Waste doesn't need to be stored indefinitely because it is more radioactive. That doesn't even make sense. The more radioactive something is, the faster it becomes safe. The stuff that needs storing for a long time is actually not particularly active, which is precisely why it needs storing for so long - it will still be not particularly active in a thousand years, when more active material will have long since decayed.

The highly active material is both very, very radioactive and has a pretty long halflife (trust me, I used to work at Sellafield). The high activity is to do with how concentrated it is more than anything else; nuclear reactors produce a lot of this stuff. The point is if you have these things in the hands of normal civilians, they'd have ready access to a lot of dangerously radioactive material.

Firstly, most commercial reactors are thermal, not fast, reactors, so they're a long way from producing significant amounts of plutonium.

Not sure what definition of 'fast' reactor you are using, but all of Britain's nuclear arsenal since the mid-fifties was produced in normal Magnox reactors.

Nuclear cars might mean more radioactive stuff around, but it's really not that hard for someone to get hold of plenty right now anyway.

Again, it's not just the activity, it's the specific isotopes. Certain species do a lot more physiological damage than others because they are retained by the human body more readily.
 
There absolutely WAS a merchant vessel which was nuclear; The NS Savannah.

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The problem with her was that she was built as a traditional cargo vessel at a time when containerized cargo was becoming the norm.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why this could not be done at any time.
 
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Would have thought nuclear powered ships would be more economical than electricity generated by nuclear power, as ships are normally powered by oil. That would be one of the more expensive ways of generating electricity.

I think the main reason they are not more common is that they would need highly enriched U-235 or it would be too bulky for ships.
 
There absolutely WAS a merchant vessel which was nuclear; The NS Savannah.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why this could not be done at any time.

No technical reason, no. However, given the current attitude towards anything nuclear (which, for the record, I do think is more than a little OTT even if it isn't unfounded), they might find the list of countries they could dock in would be a little limited. At the very least, they'd still be subject to all the same controls and regulation as civilian nuclear reactors, which are highly restrictive, to make a gross understatement. Mind you, if Wikipedia is right, Russia still seems keen to use nuclear power for civilian icebreakers.

The main reason the military gets to have nuclear powered subs and warships is, well, they're the military.
 
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