President Bush still drinks?

With his well documented past problems with substance abuse I don't think he should even appear to be drinking anything stronger then soda-pop at a barbecue never mind a G8 summit.

The G8 summit where he acted like an ass I might add even for his low expectations.

This is a ridiculous thread. The guy is taking a small sip out of an unknown drink...there's plenty of other substantial reasons to criticize Bush, maybe you should be focusing on those instead of something as innocuous as this.
 
I don't like the idea of a dry drunk having his finger on the button, but that's a lot better than him falling off the wagon. I sure hope it ain't so. Especially with all those antidepressants he's been mega-dosing. W has had change you deserve for a long time now.
 
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There's a video floating around the web of GWB at a wedding reception in which he appears to be inebriated. The wedding was in 1992, at least 5 or 6 years after he said he gave up drinking.

Steve S.
 
I suspect that the present occupant of the White House is old enough to be legally entitled to drink beer in Germany.

I don't like him at all, but this is hardly a scandal.

Now those pretzel binges...
 
I suspect that the present occupant of the White House is old enough to be legally entitled to drink beer in Germany.

I don't like him at all, but this is hardly a scandal.

Now those pretzel binges...
:D

That one was dowright bizzare. Gotta admit, our presidents might suck but they sure are entertaining. In Clinton's case though it was the intern that did the... oops, sorry. Never mind.
 
You and I think alike. For a guy known to drink beer in the past he sure doesn't get the cause and effect notion of pouring beer into a glass.

There is one thing that speaks in favor of Bush not having had beer for a long time: He doesn't tilt the glass, and pour slowly, resulting in the overflow (and making the beer flat). Any beer drinker knows that.

You would pour a soft drink that way, though.

"George "Dubya Gump" Bush getting DRUNK @ G8 summit" is just the title of the YOUTUBE video in case anyone wanted to search it.

...and yet, you continue right away with:

With his well documented past problems with substance abuse I don't think he should even appear to be drinking anything stronger then soda-pop at a barbecue never mind a G8 summit.

The G8 summit where he acted like an ass I might add even for his low expectations.

:rolleyes:
 
Whether Bush drinks alcohol or not: There is a heck of a difference between drinking and getting drunk.

It would serve your argument better if you didn't try to make a sip from a beer look like a binge.
The vast majority of alcoholics which Bush freely admits he is, cannot drink "just a little". I suggest you do a tad bit of research on alcohol addiction and reassess this unlikely conclusion.

And I also suggest that overfilling the glass (visible as it overflows) is telling.
 
You claimed he was getting drunk!



And here you are insinuating that he's getting drunk regularly - something quite different from having a beer, or even the occasional beer.

Or what do you think it is that could be explained from the fact that the man had *one* *beer*?

We are supposed to be considering all the evidence, not just the fact that we only have a single video here documenting what appears to be Bush, an admitted alcoholic, having a beer.

The evidence suggests that few alcoholics can drink without relapse. From Wiki on alcoholismWP we have the following references to some hard data:
A 2002 study by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism surveyed a group of 4,422 adult alcoholics and found that after one year some were no longer alcoholics, even though only 25.5% of the group received any treatment,[10] with the breakdown as follows:

* 25% still dependent
* 27.3% in partial remission (some symptoms persist)
* 11.8% asymptomatic drinkers (consumption increases chances of relapse)
* 35.9% fully recovered — made up of 17.7% low-risk drinkers plus 18.2% abstainers....

Rationing and moderation

Rationing and moderation programs such as Moderation Management and DrinkWise do not mandate complete abstinence. While most alcoholics are unable to limit their drinking in this way, some return to moderate drinking. A 2002 U.S. study by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) showed that 17.7% of individuals diagnosed as alcohol dependent more than one year prior returned to low-risk drinking. However, this group showed fewer initial symptoms of dependency.[22] A follow-up study, using the same NESARC subjects that were judged to be in remission in 2001-2002, examined the rates of return to problem drinking in 2004-2005. The major conclusion made by the authors of this NIAAA study was "Abstinence represents the most stable form of remission for most recovering alcoholics". [23]
This data clearly suggests that only a few alcoholics may be able to drink without relapsing. Having worked in the field of drug addiction and having a particular interest in alcoholism since I have a family full of alcoholics, I believe that the percentage of 'recovered' alcoholics who can return to casual drinking without relapsing is considerably less than the 12-18% suggested in these two reports. What isn't known here is how long the recovered alcoholic can actually drink casually before relapsing. One has to assume the data referred to here was limited in time since recovery to casual drinking. Drink casually for a month, maybe you will see 18%, make that a year, I doubt you will see 5%. So one must consider timing since recovery in these studies to draw any relevant conclusions from them.

What we do know about addiction to any drug, including alcohol, is that relapse is a serious barrier to recovery. Seeing Bush, an admitted recovering alcoholic, spilling a beer as he refills it, is pretty strong evidence he has relapsed. There have been other rumors this is the case. The video, in my opinion, is more than just some irrelevant inconclusive evidence.
 
There is one thing that speaks in favor of Bush not having had beer for a long time: He doesn't tilt the glass, and pour slowly, resulting in the overflow (and making the beer flat). Any beer drinker knows that.

You would pour a soft drink that way, though.

Or, it could be a "party foul" after a few too many.

Either way, it distracts from the fact that Bush has been one of the worst presidents in history, drunk OR sober.
 
The vast majority of alcoholics which Bush freely admits he is, cannot drink "just a little". I suggest you do a tad bit of research on alcohol addiction and reassess this unlikely conclusion.

And I also suggest that overfilling the glass (visible as it overflows) is telling.
Pure and utter BS.

Not all addictions are the same and the part about the overfilling the glass is great fun to poke shrub with but honestly it tells nothing.

Arm chair psychology and pseudo-skepticism at its finest.
 
Rumors of Bush relapsing began as far back as 2005:

October 01, 2005
bush takes a drink, the drink takes a drink, the drink takes bush


damnit! this is SERIOUS!!! bush IS drinking again!
Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 08:13:17 AM PDT
Great! Just what i needed this morning - to awaken to CNN cheerfully describing bush's visit to mongolia - and his spending time enjoying the local food the local drink of "fermented milk"!

Now i don't know about you, but this raised serious red flags for me! So, off i went to google "mongolia, fermented milk and alcohol" - not to be surprised to find that the drink contains anywhere from 3% content to 18% content (when further distilled).

Guess this answers the questions for us: is dubya drinking again? Brings to mind the old adage "how far do i have to go to get a drink aroud here!" now we have the answer: mongolia!

November 2005 / Issue No. 15 - Has Bush Relapsed?
The U.S. has survived a number of Presidents who were alcoholics. Could this time be different?...

My concern isn’t over public behaviors that are easily confused with political ones. Unless blatant in politicians (such as the Huey Longs of the world), private behaviors are essential to a diagnosis of possible alcoholism or a relapse. While terms such as “crusade,” “infinite justice” and “evil doers” are more likely political terms than ones rooted in alcoholism, the inappropriate use of foul language is far more likely alcoholism-driven. Bush has reportedly used such language, “casting blame all about,” lashing out at aides, unleashing “obscenity-filled outbursts at anyone who dares disagree with him,” and exploding into tirades. He has, according to online journalist Doug Thompson (himself a recovering alcoholic with, as of August 15, 2005, 11 years, 2 months and 9 days of sobriety), flipped others the bird and been prescribed anti-depressants (alcoholism is frequently misdiagnosed as Depressive Personality Disorder). The regular use of foul language, blaming others for one’s problems, inappropriate anger and volatile mood swings are all indications of an impending relapse or an actual one. I would hypothesize that he went into relapse mode six to twelve months ago and may have hit the bottle, as reports have suggested, somewhere around August or September. One Washington source was reported to have said, “He has been sneaking drinks for weeks now. Laura may have only just caught him…” Family sources told reporters that when she saw him recently downing a shot, she yelled, “Stop, George.”

If such reports are true, President Bush is in the throes of the process of relapse. It is important to understand the process. He may have one drink in a sitting, or 16. The ability to have only one will make him believe he can control how much he drinks. Distortions of perception will make him think he is in control over his behaviors. The distortions themselves will prevent him from realizing he is the cause of his problems, not his staff or the American people. Because the distortions will make him believe he can do no wrong, he will be incapable of identifying alcohol as the problem. Our best hope is that Laura will do now what she did when Bush hit 40: offer a choice and let him know she will act on that decision, role as First Lady be damned.....


Those were rumors. This is video evidence.
 
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The vast majority of alcoholics which Bush freely admits he is, cannot drink "just a little". I suggest you do a tad bit of research on alcohol addiction and reassess this unlikely conclusion.

And Bush simply can't be among those who can drink a little. Uh-nuh! And he just has to drink an alcoholic beer. Ah-nah.

And I also suggest that overfilling the glass (visible as it overflows) is telling.

He didn't overfill the glass. The carbon dixoide level was higher than he expected.

Have you ever been in that situation without being drunk?
 
Having worked in the field of drug addiction and having a particular interest in alcoholism since I have a family full of alcoholics, I believe that the percentage of 'recovered' alcoholics who can return to casual drinking without relapsing is considerably less than the 12-18% suggested in these two reports. What isn't known here is how long the recovered alcoholic can actually drink casually before relapsing.
  • An appeal to your authority (dubious as it is).
  • It was 1 glass of .5% alcohol beer.
Is anyone really buying this?
 
You know what this is? This is the sort of garbage that is sinking our democracy. Understanding foreign policy or economic issues requires thinking, and heavy reading, and a serious investment of time and effort to understand what's going on. This nonsense? Any idiot with an Internet connection can watch a video and say "oh, look at that sloppy drunk!!" When we play into this sort of thing, we also accept the validity of all the other shallow, trivial, non-issue BS that drives our current discourse.

I don't give a crap if Bush is drinking every day, or so goddamned sober that alcoholics sober up when he rides by in his limo. I don't care what Hillary Clinton was doing in college, or what Obama's neighbors were doing 40 years ago. I don't want to hear rumors about McCain poking some lobbyist 10 years ago, or what kind of fish was served at Al Gore's daughter's wedding rehearsal dinner.

All of this 'stuff' is lazy reporting, and leads to lazy citizenship.
 

Talk radio and blogs, who use the National Enquirer as the only source.

The new face of media, gobbled up uncritically by far too many. You included.


O MI GOSH! BUSH IS NICE AND POLITE, FOLLOWS LOCAL CUSTOM! HE'S "DRINKING" AGAIN! THE SKY IS FALLING! :eek:

He sure must be desperate if he wants to get drunk on fermented milk...


Note the question. And the absence of evidence.

  • An appeal to your authority (dubious as it is).
  • It was 1 glass of .5% alcohol beer.
Is anyone really buying this?

I'm not. As bad a president he is, I find it hard to believe that Bush's alcohol consumption - if any - wouldn't be closely monitored. It's not as if he can stash booze behind the toilet...
 
You know what this is? This is the sort of garbage that is sinking our democracy. Understanding foreign policy or economic issues requires thinking, and heavy reading, and a serious investment of time and effort to understand what's going on. This nonsense? Any idiot with an Internet connection can watch a video and say "oh, look at that sloppy drunk!!" When we play into this sort of thing, we also accept the validity of all the other shallow, trivial, non-issue BS that drives our current discourse.

I don't give a crap if Bush is drinking every day, or so goddamned sober that alcoholics sober up when he rides by in his limo. I don't care what Hillary Clinton was doing in college, or what Obama's neighbors were doing 40 years ago. I don't want to hear rumors about McCain poking some lobbyist 10 years ago, or what kind of fish was served at Al Gore's daughter's wedding rehearsal dinner.

All of this 'stuff' is lazy reporting, and leads to lazy citizenship.

Quite agree.

It's also bad skepticism.
 

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