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Moneymakin'! The BFRO Bigfoot Expeditions Thread.

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Come one! Come all! Are you ready for the magic and the majesty? Are you ready for the truth? Are you ready for THE BOSS OF THE WOODS? Floundering in Florida? Fantastic! Whining in Wyoming? Wicked! Be chillin' in BC? Be cool! If you got the scratch the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization has got scratch for your bigfoot itch at a reasonably forested area near you (preferably private land per special use permit restrictions)! For a low, low $300 we will give you a bigfoot experience to remember.

Upcoming expeditions:

http://bfro.net/news/roundup/exped_next.asp

Expedition FAQ:

http://bfro.net/news/roundup/exped_faq.asp

Expedition testimonials:

http://bfro.net/news/roundup/exped_testimonials.asp

Moderated discussion board with info on past and upcoming expeditions:

http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=18679

The BFRO has identified many potential habitat zones after collecting thousands of sighting reports for more than 10 years. The expeditions target these habitat zones.

Commonly Asked Question: Has anyone ever seen a bigfoot on these expeditions??

The Answer: Yes.


There have been well over 700 attendees, collectively, so far. More than half that number now consider themselves Class B witnesses (They were close enough to hear them).

A least 35 of these people had a Class A sighting.

A "Class A sighting" is a clear sighting -- either in daylight, or under artificial illumination, or in bright moonlight, or with visual aids such as nightvision scopes or thermal scopes. A sighting that is clear enough and close enough to be unmistakeable.

Class A sightings are, by definition, less likely to be misinterpretations than Class B sightings.

Class B sightings are those that occur in poor lighting conditions, or at a distance, or very, very briefly.

Class B incidents are usually auditory (sound) incidents. They might have a minor visual component, or they might have no visual component.

The closest and most impressive encounters with bigfoots are usually Class B incidents. These animals will sometimes approach people very closely at night, in thick brush, or among big trees, where they clearly feel more protected.

The human observers are often not within the brush when this happen, but rather on dirt roads or hiking trails bordering thick brush and/or stands of big trees.


One of the purposes of these expeditions is to show people how these animals operate, so more people can help us identify other habitat areas.

At this stage, many previous expedition attendees have managed to encounter more of these animals in other areas, after learning our techniques for identifying habitat zones and provoking an encounter there.

Naturally, people who have never attended a BFRO expedition might wonder whether this is all some kind a scam. Many new people come with the suspicion that the whole thing might be a setup.

These approaches often reoccur in the same areas long after an expedition is over and everyone has gone home. That's the best proof that these incidents are not a setup.


Too much human pressure in a habitat area can push out these animals, or drive them to more remote portions of a watershed. That's why we do not publicly identify these areas. We want to keep the human pressure to a minimum while learning as much as we can from a given habitat area.



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An expedition with the BFRO is an opportunity to learn and see and hear many things that cannot easily be seen, or heard or learned anywhere else. You will meet the most active, most experienced, and most knowledgeable bigfoot researchers in person, and in the field, as you can do nowhere else.

You can learn through us in four days what would take you years to learn on your own.


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Testimonials from Previous Participants

Notes from Previous Expeditions

Bigfoot Research in a Nutshell


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Special use permit limits and logistical considerations determine the maximum number of people allowed on a given trip.
Some expeditions are limited to 15 people. Others may involve more than 50 people.

To sign up for a particular expedition you must contact the organizer for that expedition. You should only contact an organizer if you have decided that you want to attend, and you've read the Frequently Asked Questions page (the Expedition FAQ).
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Have some questions about a bigfoot expedition near you?:

For NORTHERN CALIFORNIA send an email to Brandon Kiel at NCalifornia@BFRO.net

For NEW MEXICO send an email to Dave Warner at New_Mexico@BFRO.net

For MICHIGAN UPPER PENINSULA send an email to B.G.Martin at MichiganUP@BFRO.net

For BRITISH COLUMBIA INTERIOR send an email to Darcy Stoffregen at BCInterior@BFRO.net

For MAINE send an email to Nick Maione at Maine@BFRO.net

For OREGON send an email to Cliff Barackman at Oregon@BFRO.net

For the WASHINGTON CASCADES send an email to Kevin Jones at Washington@BFRO.net

For WYOMING send an email to Brooke Raser at Wyoming@BFRO.net

For BRITISH COLUMBIA COAST send an email to Robert Kennedy at BCCoast@BFRO.net

For ARIZONA send an email to Tim Zamiski at Arizona@BFRO.net

For BC VANCOUVER ISLAND send an email to Blaine McMillan at Vancouver_Island@BFRO.net

For WASHINGTON OLYMPIC PENINSULA send an email to Kristine Walls at Washington@BFRO.net

For CALIFORNIA SIERRA NEVADAS send an email to Cliff Barackman at Sierras@BFRO.net

For COLORADO send an email to Dennis Pfohl at Colorado@BFRO.net

For CALIFORNIA REDWOODS send an email to Brandon Kiel at NCalifornia@BFRO.net

For PENNSYLVANIA send an email to Paul Mateja at Pennsylvania@BFRO.net

I've discussed BFRO expeditions at length in other bigfoot threads but I think we're way overdue to have a thread to address the subject in general. It is often said that bigfootery is one of the harmless types of woo but I think in this case Matt Moneymaker and his BFRO have a pretty well lubed scam going on. IMO, if you are a bigfoot enthusiast that is simply looking to meet other footers and tell some stories by the campfire that is one thing, but this is not how the BFRO markets these expeditions. They know that footers have any number of low cost venues for meeting and they are very specific in enticing bigfoot believers' hopes of encountering the beast.

Now, to fair and to the credit of long-time BF proponents, they almost universally agree that Moneymaker's expeditions are a scam. Nevertheless, the BFRO has 18 expeditions for 2008 and the operation of the expeditions has become one of their top priorities. I think it is extremely important to have as a resource for those curious about these expeditions a critical look at the BFRO's activities and practices regarding the expeditions.
 
Wasn't the BFRO associated with Creekfreak at one time?
Wasn't Creekfreak in negotiations to bring the BFRO out to his property for some canned bean surveilance?

There is a rumor going around that this strategic sandboard was bandied about as the SOP for the mission. It's just a rumor however.
 
Slideshow from the BFRO's August expedition on my home island of Vancouver Island:

http://flickr.com/photos/55063726@N00/sets/72157606868054627/show/

They went to the area around Spirit Lake which is 54 km northwest of Campell River on central Vancouver Island.

Highlights include:

- Crisscrossed deadfall labelled as "possible sasquatch markers."

- The erosion that wasn't a cave.

- More deadfall labelled as "possible sasquatch arch."

- Vague impressions in mud listed as "possible foot prints."

- A standing bear.

- A deer.

- Elk droppings listed as "sasquatch food source."

- A native carved figure holding a canoe paddle outside a local McDonald's listed as a "Bigfoot totem pole."

Yes, when Bigfoots are not eating elk or making impressions in the mud that look just like elk they are in fact snacking on elk poo. Like tater tots, really.
 
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Is she chewing gum while looking for Bigfoot through the binoculars?


We locate their nests.
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...which do not yield one single hair that could be used for scientific documentation.
 
William Parcher said:
...which do not yield one single hair that could be used for scientific documentation.
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Yeah, I was thinking something like that. After all, thorough genetic studies on entire chimp populations have been done solely via DNA analyses from spoor of various kinds taken from nests.

And hell, I have pet rabbits and have to vacuum every two days to clear out all the fur they leave in their favorite resting areas. Bigfoot must be fastidious to excess, like Ethan Hawke in GATTACA.
 
What's the BFRO's opinion on me bringing a 30.06 rifle with enough rounds to drop a herd of Bigfeetsus if so necessary...and a chainsaw for the delicate procedure of slicing the beast into easy to carry chunks??
 
Sorry, Madness. BFRO has strict rules about weapons on the expeditions. They don't want you ventilating or eviscerating any of the guys they have standing in the woods knocking stumps, chucking pinecones, and poking your tent where you hide after the fear gets too much.
 
kitakaze said:
Sorry, Madness. BFRO has strict rules about weapons on the expeditions. They don't want you ventilating or eviscerating any of the guys they have standing in the woods knocking stumps, chucking pinecones, and poking your tent where you hide after the fear gets too much.
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Precisely...no shooting at the guys out in the woods play acting for the paying customers...wouldn't be good for business afterall.

I'd imagine business would plummet once the fools and their money...errr... Hairy Biped Enthusiasts...found out that the B(ull)S(hite)RO was staging the whole thing with schleps in silly suits out knocking on trees and leaving impressions of their arses in the mud.

It's symptomatic of the Hairy Biped of Unusual Size movement in general. I mean if I'm in the general A.O of a Bigfeetsus knocking sticks on a tree trunk my first inclination would be to lock and load,commence to firing and worry about asking any pertinent questions once we have a heaping pile of blood soaked Hairy Biped DNA,but Bigfoot Nation on the other hand prefers to listen attentively to said spooky Bigfeetsus hijinx,doing nothing whatsoever to gather anything remotely useful from the encounter than they scream from the rafters of how their experience is being ignored by mainstream science.

Go figger huh?
 
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Mad Hom said:
Precisely...no shooting at the guys out in the woods play acting for the paying customers...wouldn't be good for business afterall.

I'd imagine business would plummet once the fools and their money...errr... Hairy Biped Enthusiasts...found out that the B(ull)S(hite)FRO was staging the whole thing with schleps in silly suits out knocking on trees and leaving impressions of their arses in the mud.
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I look at the stories the suckers bring back from those expeditions and I don't think they often if at all even go to the effort to use suits. Beside the risk they might incur by being discovered or shot by someone who is following the expedition they can achieve the results they are looking for without suits and some very hopeful bigfoot enthusiasts. A knock here, a hoot there, and a pinecone at the right time will get those guys so riled up they'll be seeing eyeshine and dark shapes all over the place.

I'm going to post a summary of one of their most recent expeditions that highlights what I mean perfectly.
 
kitakaze said:
I look at the stories the suckers bring back from those expeditions and I don't think they often if at all even go to the effort to use suits. Beside the risk they might incur by being discovered or shot by someone who is following the expedition they can achieve the results they are looking for without suits and some very hopeful bigfoot enthusiasts. A knock here, a hoot there, and a pinecone at the right time will get those guys so riled up they'll be seeing eyeshine and dark shapes all over the place.

I'm going to post a summary of one of their most recent expeditions that highlights what I mean perfectly.
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You're probably right....by the way do we have a ratio of daytime to night time Bigfeetsus activity on BSRO safaris? To my way of looking at it any daytime tree knocking that did NOT illicit a "let's get closer and maybe shoot it (gun or camera whichever)" type reaction would be absolutely ridiculous.
 
Money makin'...I'll say

10+ guys at 300 dollars each.

Bring your own food, supply your own accommodation and transportation

Overhead basically amounts to zero.

Now why didn't I think of that ?

Kitakaze, thanks for the links, I'm not into BF myself, but I do enjoy local content ( I live in Victoria ) I too, don't find this "evil" in any way as these expeditions appear to be marketed to believers, you know, the guys who buy the night vision scopes and IR cameras looking to make the next big discovery. It's not like they're trying to "suck anybody in" here, just giving you an excuse for a camping trip and a reason to drop a hundred bucks a day for someone to organise it.

My inner cynic thinks it would be fun to determine just where an expedition is going, and "seed" the area with Blair Witch type markers, you know, just to up the interestingness factor.
 
Starting spring 2009 the BFRO will have its own Canadian network tv series:

http://bfro.net/barna_alper.asp

Move over Rescue Mediums there's some new woo a'comin'.

Expect heavy abuse of night vision cameras on peoples faces while they ask "Did you hear that?", infrared blobs, and pinecone attacks.
 
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BFRO's main financial backer Wally Hersom will provide trail cameras to park rangers:

http://bfro.net/wally_bobcat.asp

BFRO piece on Wally Hersom drawing comparisons to oldtime Bigfoot chase financier Tom Slick:

http://bfro.net/wally.asp

Best of luck to them with that. One wonders with the BFRO's uncanny ability to bring paying customers into close proximity with Bigfoots doesn't have better material already.
 
kitakaze said:
I don't think they often if at all even go to the effort to use suits.
A knock here, a hoot there, and a pinecone at the right time will get those guys so riled up they'll be seeing eyeshine and dark shapes all over the place.

I'm going to post a summary of one of their most recent expeditions that highlights what I mean perfectly.
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Please do. Don't worry though, I don't expect you to provide any type of evidence for your accusations.

(I've just noticed something peculiar about the bigfoot world, you're welcome to focus on this instead. The list of expeditions that you posted a few posts back were situated in mostly northern states. BFF, run mostly by people who have been disassociated with the BFRO, is teaming with researchers from southern states. Is there a particular reason for this?)
 
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Please do. Don't worry though, I don't expect you to provide any type of evidence for your accusations.
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I will make a more detailed posting when I have time. For now here are two links that will get you started:

Past Expedition Notes.

Upcoming Expeditions.

(I've just noticed something peculiar about the bigfoot world, you're welcome to focus on this instead. The list of expeditions that you posted a few posts back were situated in mostly northern states. BFF, run mostly by people who have been disassociated with the BFRO, is teaming with researchers from southern states. Is there a particular reason for this?)
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Can you be more specific? It is well known among Bigfoot enthusiasts that the BFRO experienced a mass exodus of people, including well known professionals and academics associated with Bigfootery such as Jeff meldrum, out of the BFRO due to issues with head Matthew Moneymaker and a desire to distance themselves with the BFRO's perceived deteriorating reputation.
 
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