CIT/Air America Debate Challenge

If they do decide to read through this thread on-air, they'll probably skip over these questions:

- Craig: How were you able to determine that all of your eyewitnesses were correct?
- Can you plot a flight path that includes the locations of the plane reported by all of your witnesses?
- How many witnesses reported a flyover?
- What authorities/members of the mainstream media/government officials/attorneys have you presented your evidence to? (& what was their response?)
- If you really believe what you claim? Why are you spending all of your time arguing on message boards instead of bringing the evil-doers to justice?
 
The time for perpetual, futile, and unproductive debates is over. It is time for the Truth Club to prevent their evidence to a court of law.

The fact that the Truth Club prefers to debate, make Youtube videos, and "confront" politicians, rather then bring their evidence to a court...is very telling.

exactly. there is more than enough information readily available for anyone who cares to completely discredit these guys.

so if they start getting less and less internet attention (which seems to be the trend lately), they have no where else to go but the courts and put their money where their mouth is.

"no publicity is bad publicity" for them. if you want to really get under their skin, completely dismiss and ignore them.
 
Tell you what, why don't they hook up some Truthers to debate them?

Arabesque and Russell Pickering (who outright asserts that CIT misled its star witnesses) think that they are fools and disinfo, and Pickering was with them!

This may be why there has been no mention of this event over at 9-11 Flogger, and why my old buddy Balsamo hasn't contacted me about at least promoting his event.
 
And if Air America wants to go down this road, shame on them. Of course with the dire straits that trainwreck is in, reaching out to the lunatic fringe might mean 10 new listeners... which at this point will affect their overall demographics.

I agree 100%.
The problem with Air America is not that it is liberal, but that it is lousy radio. The founders had no experience in radio,and it showed. They were so anxious to push their political viewpoint they forgot you have to entertain while you are doing it. They hired people like Janine Garefelo who had no experience in radio whatsover,and,surprise, she was a lousy talk show hosts. A couple of the hosts were OK, but they were outweighted by the bad talk show hosts.
It came off like amateur hour radio all to often,and the recent Randi Rhodes fiasco is a nail in the coffin. It is being kept afloat by contributions,and sooner or later the contributers will decide that there are better ways to support their politcal views.
 
Tell you what, why don't they hook up some Truthers to debate them?

Arabesque and Russell Pickering (who outright asserts that CIT misled its star witnesses) think that they are fools and disinfo, and Pickering was with them!

Tell CIT and Pilots to come up with a coherent flight plane, and to face up to the fact that each and every one of their witnesses destroys their fantasy, and then maybe there will be room for discussion.

And what the Sam Hell is Hang 'Em High Kevin Barrett doing there? Why is Air America giving the Robespierre of the Truth Movement one second of air time?


Like I said. their own conspiracy theorists have abandoned them

http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/05/critical-review-of-pentacon-smoking-gun.html

http://911files.info/blog/index.php

http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/
 
I agree 100%.
The problem with Air America is not that it is liberal, but that it is lousy radio. The founders had no experience in radio,and it showed. They were so anxious to push their political viewpoint they forgot you have to entertain while you are doing it. They hired people like Janine Garefelo who had no experience in radio whatsover,and,surprise, she was a lousy talk show hosts. A couple of the hosts were OK, but they were outweighted by the bad talk show hosts.
It came off like amateur hour radio all to often,and the recent Randi Rhodes fiasco is a nail in the coffin. It is being kept afloat by contributions,and sooner or later the contributers will decide that there are better ways to support their politcal views.

Exactly. I've been on all sides of the political spectrum and even in my most liberal days I loved Rush. Not because of his viewpoints at all, but because the guy... rhetoric aside... is funnier than hell. Good song parodies, good flow, and a sense he belongs behind a microphone.

Air America really went into this thinking anyone can do what he does, because listeners are nothing but zombies who only care about someone who supports their viewpoint. Well, there are hundreds of right wing talk show hosts who are on one station and will never get a bigger gig.

AA's biggest mistake was trying to turn comedians into serious commentators. It made as much sense as hiring a sports analyst to host a show on interior design, and pretty much exposed the hosts as being really good at soundbytes, but terrible at discussing policy at length.

ETA: And maybe they did so I could be off-base here. But why did they never try to bring in Neil Rogers? He was one of the few reasons I hated leaving Florida.
 
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Aldo @ LCF posted an e-mail from Rob to Richard

Rob said:
Hi Richard,

As you know by now, we are unable to find much opposition in terms of professional, civil discussion. We have tried Popular Mechanics and the NTSB. So we have decided to scrape the bottom of the barrel and invite internet "debunkers" who spend their days and nights obsessed with our work (although now they are using the excuse they dont want to give us any "attention" when a debate challenge arises). I phoned "pomoroo" on the linked thread below and he started a thread looking for "opposition", but as you can see, not many are stepping up to the plate and after reading through the thread, you can see why it is "scraping the bottom of the barrel" as its mostly ad homs and personal attacks.

If no one does step up to the plate, we can read through the thread on air to show the world how our "opposition" behaves, and we can address the few arguments that are pointed out in the thread. You can find it here...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113627

Regards,
Rob

...and yet even at the bottom of the barrel, we're able solve simple math problems in a matter of hours, while Rob spends 2 months on them and still doesn't have the solution. I guess that puts pft not even in the barrel, but beneath it.
 
Originally Posted by Rob
Hi Richard,

As you know by now, we are unable to find much opposition in terms of professional, civil discussion. We have tried Popular Mechanics and the NTSB. So we have decided to scrape the bottom of the barrel and invite internet "debunkers" who spend their days and nights obsessed with our work(although now they are using the excuse they dont want to give us any "attention" when a debate challenge arises). I phoned "pomoroo" on the linked thread below and he started a thread looking for "opposition", but as you can see, not many are stepping up to the plate and after reading through the thread, you can see why it is "scraping the bottom of the barrel" as its mostly ad homs and personal attacks.

If no one does step up to the plate, we can read through the thread on air to show the world how our "opposition" behaves, and we can address the few arguments that are pointed out in the thread. You can find it here...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113627

Regards,
Rob
OK Rob

Reconcile the NOC witnesses and all the other witnesses to a physically possible flight path. do it now. You have had almost seven years. don't forget to include witness Morin in your calculations. Remember that none of your witnesses describe a steep bank. Not a one.


Explain why Edward Paik standing in his parking lot. Out IN FRONT OF his shop. Waves his hand behind his back, directly down a path parallel to Columbia Pike. From his feet to his fingertips Rob. be honest. Where is he pointing? He is pointing directly to Morin's position at the security booth Bob.

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Your Arlington cemetery witnesses Bob, Here is their locations. Explain why wheelhouse cant see through the trees. But your band member who even says her view is blocked by trees. Can see a plane on the "far side' of the Pentagon.


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Explain why Edward Paik would even assume that the DOT tower was being repaired the next day because of starboard wing tip contact. When you claim by his testimony that the flight path was nowhere near the tower.


Explain the fast speed described by the witnesses.

Explain the complete absence of flyover witnesses on the east side of the Pentagon while hundreds testify they saw a plane on the impact or west side. At 9 am there are many people on the bridge over the Potomac that time of morning. Not a one saw a plane over the river? Not even from the Pentagon parking lot? or the marina on the river?

Craig is this Jamal, The "new 18th witness"? can you show us where this photo was taken?

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was it taken here?
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Then why is the CIT flight path behind the cameraman in the opposite direction Jamal, the 18th witness is pointing?
dudelocation_Jamal_official.jpg

I expect these questions to be answered Rob and Craig. You have only a few days to come up with the answers. Good luck.

Rob. I have highlighted in red some irony in your post. Pot meet Kettle.



I have many more questions I may post later.
 
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Mark Roberts has given a fairly comprehensive essay on his reasons for not participating (to be honest - whatever one thinks about 9/11 - it ain't nice to talk with someone that wants you dead).
 
Mark Roberts has given a fairly comprehensive essay on his reasons for not participating (to be honest - whatever one thinks about 9/11 - it ain't nice to talk with someone that wants you dead).

I agree. Mark Roberts in his letter to Richard Greene you linked to above makes excellent points. And there is nothing to really debate. They cannot even answer the points I have made and the question I have asked above. It is publicity for CD sales and nothing else. Air America is scraping the bottom of the barrel by exploiting the mentally ill.
 
I think I remember asking CIT for a one-on-one online debate.

They declined, saying basically "there is no debate".

I take it they have now changed their minds about there being no debate?

The thing that blows my mind is: why are WE the enemy? Why do Truthers gloat and slap each other on the butt every time they believe they have "pwned" one of us? I mean, isn't the whole point of this fantasy movement to discover the truth? Or to bring the Bush Administration to justice? Why focus their efforts on us?

Seems these "Truthers" have their priorities waaay out of whack.
 
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The thing that blows my mind is: why are WE the enemy? Why do Truthers gloat and slap each other on the butt every time they believe they have "pwned" one of us? I mean, isn't the whole point of this fantasy movement to discover the truth? Or to bring the Bush Administration to justice? Why focus their efforts on us?

Seems these "Truthers" have their priorities waaay out of whack.

Cause it's easier to type stuff like "lolpwntggnormwtfbbqkthxbai."
 
because we are the "governmant loyalists". we are the ones who defend "their" agenda. we are the ones who protect the "criminals". as far as the truth club is concerned, we are worse then the ones they believe committed 9-11.
 
They will say Hani can't fly. He hits the Pentagon in real life, and the only pilots on the planet who can not hit the side of building in the safety of a flight simulator are pilots, and the members of the prestigious, we ain't got no stinkin' theories p4t.

If anyone calls in, remind the challenged pilots of p4t, that a small prop plane pilot entered a 757 simulator on film, and preformed an impact into the Pentagon, first time, zero time in heavies. Oops, only p4t pilots are not as good as rookie pilots, and murdering terrorists! That is a expert status worthy of 9/11 truth groups. Wowzer.

Remind Rob Balsamo the frequency band the radar altimeter works at; it is easy to look up. Then remind Rob Balsamo the number of feet in a nautical mile. Be sure to help these guys out, the are not good at math, or physics, and they have a hard time figuring out in six years what the passengers on flight 93 figured out in minutes. They also use 9/11 events and stir up ideas to sell DVDs for 15 bucks. The truth only cost 15 bucks.
The Pentacon, Citizen Investigation Team, look it up save 15 bucks, think for yourself

Easy dude, chill. Love your posts, mind. So much sense they glow sensorily (if that's a real word) :)
 
Lmmfao!!!!!!!!

That Big [edited] Roberts Won't Debate Cit But He'll Send An Email Pleading Richard Greene Not To Have Cit & Pft On.

Jref = Cowards

Name calling is not within the limits of civility and attacking the argument. Please cease and desist.
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Lmmfao!!!!!!!!

That Big [edited] Roberts Won't Debate Cit But He'll Send An Email Pleading Richard Greene Not To Have Cit & Pft On.

Jref = Cowards

As I once said, Aldo is a really, really scary guy. Don't even try to deny it cuz I know you work with him and you know it's true. :D
 
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Lmmfao!!!!!!!!

That Big [edited] Roberts Won't Debate Cit But He'll Send An Email Pleading Richard Greene Not To Have Cit & Pft On.

Jref = Cowards
Last time I looked you were a member here. Calling yourself names? Must be lonely in your world (CIT) that even "truthers" ignore.
 
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Lmmfao!!!!!!!!

That Big [edited] Roberts Won't Debate Cit But He'll Send An Email Pleading Richard Greene Not To Have Cit & Pft On.

Jref = Cowards
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