Logical Disproof of God?

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Is there any valid logical disproof of the tri omni God? I know that there isn't a logical proof of one, but I want to hear arguments that try to disprove a God logically.

Btw, I'm an atheist.
 
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JohnTheRevelator said:
Is there any valid logical disproof of the tri omni God? I know that there isn't a logical proof of one, but I want to hear arguments that try to disprove a God logically.

Btw, I'm an atheist.
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Robin's First Law - Any argument which seeks to prove or disprove the existence of God is valuable only for the practice it affords in finding fallacies.
 
There's a well-worn argument that God's omniscience and our free will are a logical contradiction. I have yet to see a satisfactory resolution to that apparent conflict. (Most quibble by characterizing omniscience is something other than perfect knowledge.)

If you accept that if God, as defined, cannot logically contradict itself, then the above, if proven, should disprove at least that definition of God.
 
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In a world where those of "faith" in their various gods, will pass off any literalism in their holy books as metaphor if challenged scientifically, this question becomes ridiculous.

It is also ridiculous due to the logical burden of proof being on the one who posits the extraordinary.

The question eventually degenerates into " HAHA TRY TO DISPROVE THAT AN ENTITY THAT CANNOT BE OBSERVED DOES NOT EXIST! ".
 
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You can prove or disprove anything logically with the proper axiom set.
 
Doesn't matter what proof you have come up with, the answer will be, in my experience, one of the following:

1. God is above human logic.
2. Oh, that's an old argument (followed by a change of subject)
3. You have been touched by the devil.
 
Yes.

God is omnibenevolent.

God is omniscient.

Therefore god knew that mankind would fail, and that he would have to punish a great number of us, yet he went ahead and created us anyway.

This is not a sign of omni benevolence, as the creation of a being with the express knowledge you will have to destroy it and punish it against it's wishes is not, generally speaking, a sign of love.

Either god does not love us, or god does not know everything.


Also, god is omnipotent, and therefore can, if he so chooses, let us all into heaven, which is good. He (apparently) chooses not to, meaning that he willingly condemns the things he supposedly loves to eternal punishment. Again, not exactly most people's definitions of loving there.
 
Epicurus:
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both willing and able? Then whence comes evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?

That's the closest thing I can think of.
 
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You want we should prove you a negative? And you wants us to do it logically?


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Ahh, my reading of others posts suggests you mean disprove god as a being?

No, then. You can show that certain things that are said about him are logically inconsistent, and therefore logically cannot be true (see my post, for example) but you can't logically disprove anything, but you can show elements of it to be logically inconsistent, which is about as close as you can get.
 
1: God is the greatest thing imaginable.
2: The greatest thing imaginable must include greatness of virtue.
3: Virtue is overcoming adversity.
4: If God faces adversity, he is not the greatest of all.
5: Therefore, God does not exist.
 
That's a good one, if God is omnipotent and omniscient, there are lots of qualities humans can have that are not possible for God, including virtues defined as overcoming fear or hardship, like courage.

Omni-God as commonly defined cannot: grow, make mistakes, know fear, learn, feel guilt, be sorry, be hurt, suffer, feel helpless, be uncertain, be embarassed, feel shame, be surprised...being all-powerful necessarily isolates you from the human experience.
 
Only by logical contradictions. I don't know about the omniscience/free will supposed contradiction, but there's always the omnipotence "can God make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?" contradiction. An omnipotent God should be able to make a rock so heavy he can't lift it. He should also be able to lift that rock. But he can't do both. Or another way to look at it is the Unstoppable Force and the Immovable Object. If one exists, the other can't exist in the same universe. But an omnipotent God should be able to create both in the same universe. So, omnipotence, defined in this way, is itself a contradiction, and any being defined as being omnipotent can't exist.

But it's easy to get around by saying something like "God is omnipotent, but only to the extent that is logically possible."

The short answer is no.
 
A Christian skeptic, it also involves courage and strength. A being can only be accurately described as virtuous if it can suffer pain. One that can suffer pain is not one than which no greater being can be thought.

Thus, God does not exist.
 
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3: Virtue is overcoming adversity.
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Suppose you want to unleash a biological weapon on a community, but the community keeps foiling you by coming up with cures as fast as you can invent plagues. But finally, you overcome this adversity and find a plague that kills them all.

Are you then virtuous?
 
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