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Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins

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Upchurch said:
Okay, before I waste a whole lot of time trying to explain this to you, do you really want to know how this works or are you simply rejecting it because it doesn't agree with what you believe?

What do you believe, anyway? What would prove to you that your assumptions were wrong?
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I am sorry that you feel that you wasted your time posting links. I read your links and responded, you have declined to answer.


I don't believe anything at this point as the evidence does not point to any answer logically.
 
godless dave said:
Really. Got any evidence for that?
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Bad Astronomy

The problem is, right at that moment, at T=0, our laws of physics… well, they stall out. You wind up dividing by zero a lot, which causes a lot of headaches. You get things like zero volume and infinite density of matter and energy. It’s not that this moment didn’t exist physically, or that something impossible happened, it’s just that the math we currently use can’t describe it. And let me be clear: what happened after that one moment we can model fairly well. We may not have a complete picture, and the model may yet be supplanted (more on that in a moment), but we have a relatively (har har) good grasp on how the Universe behaved after T=+0.0000000000000…1 seconds. But at T=0, fuggeddaboutit. And T<0? The way the math works, that question doesn’t even make sense.
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That quote in no way supports your argument.

It’s not that this moment didn’t exist physically, or that something impossible happened, it’s just that the math we currently use can’t describe it.
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godless dave said:
That quote in no way supports your argument.
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At no point does Phil say that the Big Bang hypothesis "failed." Jerome needs to learn to read articles completely:

And of course, I have to use this to stick it to the creationists once again. One thing they love to talk about is "fine tuning", how so many physical constants (like the charge on an electron, and the strength of gravity and the nuclear forces) appear to be incredibly well-adjusted to produce not just our Universe, but intelligent life in it: us.

Well, some of us.
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godless dave said:
That quote in no way supports your argument.
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Of course the math does not matter to the true believers!!!


We just need new math that we have yet to discover to explain our faith!!!



Reverse the protagonist and you will find that you are arguing from the same point as the creationists.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
At no point does Phil say that the Big Bang hypothesis "failed." Jerome needs to learn to read articles completely:
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Ohh, so the scientific facts are irrelevant, only the characterization of said facts, namely that the Big Bang theory violates the laws of physics and math.

:mgbanghead

Creationist debate tactics much?
 
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Phil never said that they do. Maybe you should ask him to clarify, since it seems everyone but you understands what he wrote.
 
godless dave said:
Phil never said that they do. Maybe you should ask him to clarify, since it seems everyone but you understands what he wrote.
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Interesting. There is no underestimating the true believer.

The problem is, right at that moment, at T=0, our laws of physics… well, they stall out.

The way the math works, that question doesn’t even make sense.
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We're stuck in that circular time loop again.

Jerome, you're going to have to get past this, because you really do seem to be the only one who can't get it. I only studied physics to the age of 14, and I even I understand the point.

The Big Bang theory in no ways violates the physical laws. It just doesn't. Nothing you have quoted says that it does - it just seems that you aren't understanding what you have quoted.
 
Worm said:
The Big Bang theory in no ways violates the physical laws. It just doesn't. Nothing you have quoted says that it does - it just seems that you aren't understanding what you have quoted.
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Phil over at Bad Astronomy is wrong in your mind. Good to know.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Phil over at Bad Astronomy is wrong in your mind. Good to know.
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Last reply, becuase you just aren't getting it.

Phil is not wrong. Phil said what everyone else is saying. Phil didn't say that the physical laws are violated at the singularity T=0, he said the laws don't apply.

Can you understand the difference?
 
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