Is 1908 kg of explosives enough to bring down a WTC Tower?

It would be interesting to see some examples, that way German-readers/speakers could determine whether you are just naturally annoying or it's because you're writing in a different language.

:D

PS I never doubted you were Swiss-German ever since you used it in one post.

annoying is annoying, no mather if others find me annoying or not.
 
sorry, did you read Heiwa's paper?

he is talking about damage of the lower floors. so i think there is a good reason to ask, where he claims that the lower part will not be damaged.

btw, do you also think that way about your kid? you know, your twoofer kid.

Woof, woof. Couldn't help yourself, could you? So predictable. Twoofers are so low they will stoop to mentioning someone's children to deflect the point that they have absolutely NOTHING to offer other than wild speculation and completely unsubstantiated claims. Roll over DC.
 
Woof, woof. Couldn't help yourself, could you? So predictable. Twoofers are so low they will stoop to mentioning someone's children to deflect the point that they have absolutely NOTHING to offer other than wild speculation and completely unsubstantiated claims. Roll over DC.

Nothing?
read Heiwas paper, he even illustrates his assumption of the damage of the lower part of the tower.

why dont you read it? its very simple and good understandable writen.
 
Nothing?
read Heiwas paper, he even illustrates his assumption of the damage of the lower part of the tower.

why dont you read it? its very simple and good understandable writen.

I have only about 15 minutes to write this post so I will be quick. You are wrong for a number of reasons, but a misunderstanding of the nature of modelling is the most severe.

The way the towers collapsed on 9/11 is something that we simply do not have the computational complexity to study. Even if we could run a simulation which would predict what happened after the first second or so we would have absolutely no way to validate whether it was actually correct. For this reason we must develop simplified models of the collapse in order to have a reasonable chance at assessing what happened.

It's important when creating these models that they are biased towards the opposite of the expected conclusion. If you are trying to prove the towers could collapse from gravity forces, damage and fire alone then you must bias your model against this type of collapse. Bazant's model is the first and an excellent example of this in relation to 9/11.

In Bazant's paper, the upper section is modelled as perfectly impacting every steel element on the lower floor. This results in using the maximum possible energy to fail this floor. If this floor fails then we know almost without doubt that the upper section retains enough energy to fail every subsequent section (there is some doubt due to the difference in column geometry). Even so this is not a significant enough bias in Bazants eyes and all steel is also treated with infinite ductility, meaning the steel will absorb far more energy before fracture than it would in reality.

This is not some sort of cheating and not some sort of attempt to sneakily lie about the collapses, this is a very simple model. Hopefully you can understand this, and understand how it does not represent what happened in reality, it represents a best attempt at modelling this 2 days after the fact. Subsequent higher quality and more refined calculations have been constructed by Dr Greening, Newtons Bit, GregoryUrich, David B Benson etc.

Now to Heiwas paper, there is no bias, and no balance. It's practically as simple as that, Heiwa attempts to 'more accurately' reproduce the failure mode NIST claims, but instead he for some reason decides NIST claims the failure mode was compressive, where the upper sections pressed directly vertically downwards and caused the columns to fail in this manner. This is the only bias in his paper and it is towards collapse arrest. Heiwa has balanced his paper towards his expected conclusion, not away from it.

This is classic bad form, and is an easy way of identifying which papers are less likely to be rigorous. His mistake has been endlessly corrected by people far more qualified than himself and he simply refuses to accept it. It's not a matter for debate as we clearly have video evidence of the upper sections tilting. When discussing his Heiwa will make some pretense that the upper sections were horizontally offset, but this is ludicrous. They were tilted, and a tilted upper section misaligns a minimum of 50% of all internal columns, reducing the failure energy for a single floor by nearly 50%. Heiwa's paper is rubbish and an unqualified barely educated simp like myself can see this.

Please take some time to read about scientific modelling and where Heiwas paper falls down, you are making some classic 'conspiracy theory' mistakes and if you continue you'll end up too sure in yourself to correct yourself and be relegated to one of our many 'semitruthers'.
 
Great post e^n. I have a question for DC though. How did the explosives survive the crashes and subsequent fires? Additionally, why was there not a single sound of an explosive charge being detonated picked up by any audio devices?
 
I have only about 15 minutes to write this post so I will be quick. You are wrong for a number of reasons, but a misunderstanding of the nature of modelling is the most severe.

The way the towers collapsed on 9/11 is something that we simply do not have the computational complexity to study. Even if we could run a simulation which would predict what happened after the first second or so we would have absolutely no way to validate whether it was actually correct. For this reason we must develop simplified models of the collapse in order to have a reasonable chance at assessing what happened.

It's important when creating these models that they are biased towards the opposite of the expected conclusion. If you are trying to prove the towers could collapse from gravity forces, damage and fire alone then you must bias your model against this type of collapse. Bazant's model is the first and an excellent example of this in relation to 9/11.

In Bazant's paper, the upper section is modelled as perfectly impacting every steel element on the lower floor. This results in using the maximum possible energy to fail this floor. If this floor fails then we know almost without doubt that the upper section retains enough energy to fail every subsequent section (there is some doubt due to the difference in column geometry). Even so this is not a significant enough bias in Bazants eyes and all steel is also treated with infinite ductility, meaning the steel will absorb far more energy before fracture than it would in reality.

This is not some sort of cheating and not some sort of attempt to sneakily lie about the collapses, this is a very simple model. Hopefully you can understand this, and understand how it does not represent what happened in reality, it represents a best attempt at modelling this 2 days after the fact. Subsequent higher quality and more refined calculations have been constructed by Dr Greening, Newtons Bit, GregoryUrich, David B Benson etc.

Now to Heiwas paper, there is no bias, and no balance. It's practically as simple as that, Heiwa attempts to 'more accurately' reproduce the failure mode NIST claims, but instead he for some reason decides NIST claims the failure mode was compressive, where the upper sections pressed directly vertically downwards and caused the columns to fail in this manner. This is the only bias in his paper and it is towards collapse arrest. Heiwa has balanced his paper towards his expected conclusion, not away from it.

This is classic bad form, and is an easy way of identifying which papers are less likely to be rigorous. His mistake has been endlessly corrected by people far more qualified than himself and he simply refuses to accept it. It's not a matter for debate as we clearly have video evidence of the upper sections tilting. When discussing his Heiwa will make some pretense that the upper sections were horizontally offset, but this is ludicrous. They were tilted, and a tilted upper section misaligns a minimum of 50% of all internal columns, reducing the failure energy for a single floor by nearly 50%. Heiwa's paper is rubbish and an unqualified barely educated simp like myself can see this.

Please take some time to read about scientific modelling and where Heiwas paper falls down, you are making some classic 'conspiracy theory' mistakes and if you continue you'll end up too sure in yourself to correct yourself and be relegated to one of our many 'semitruthers'.

thx for your post

and i agree about the bias one have to set, when simplifing.
the reason i took more columns and more massive coloumns than the blueprints show.

but i disagree about your simulations we able to do and do not.

Whe can simulate Nuclear explosions, we can simulate the weather, we can simulate the impact of an airliner in a complex steel colum building, we can simulate the spreading of fires.

but magically we cannot simulate the impact of a complex steel structure part into another part.

Did NIST never try to simulate the collapses or its initiation?

and OC also in very complex and huge simulations you still use simplyfications.

and about Bazant's bias

the crush down and crush up phase are simplifications against collapse arrest.
also the simplyfication of a onedimensional diagram. how comes the lower and thicker steel columns and the floors kept giving away while the lowest floor of the top part, the one that crushes all the lower ones, stayed intact? thats not a simplification thats a blatant lie ....

and isnt the energy in a case of impact "applyed" degressive among all the lower floors columns?
 
Great post e^n. I have a question for DC though. How did the explosives survive the crashes and subsequent fires? Additionally, why was there not a single sound of an explosive charge being detonated picked up by any audio devices?

reported sounds of explosions was all kind of other things but not explosive devices, never, impossible, we know exactly what those ppl heard. isnt it?
 
btw, also the 3.7m FREEFALL is an extreemly biased simplyfication.
 
not when placed on one floor, like in a "bazantsche collapse"
in your OP you said:

when talking about CT's i often hear it would need a huge amount of explosives. so i wondered how much would that be?

so it looks like that would be more than 1908kg, how much more? lets say if we double it, and blow out 2 floors with 3818kg, is that enough?
 
in your OP you said:



so it looks like that would be more than 1908kg, how much more? lets say if we double it, and blow out 2 floors with 3818kg, is that enough?

according to the "official theory" it would need even less than 1908kg
in real the steel columns was noth that thick on the higher floors, and alot box columns was replaced by I-shaped columns. the perimeter columns was not that thick on higher floors. that would all reduce the amount of explosives needed.
 
reported sounds of explosions was all kind of other things but not explosive devices, never, impossible, we know exactly what those ppl heard. isnt it?

This post is basically incoherent, but I think I know what you are saying. Let me rephrase what I was asking.

As the towers were collapsing, why was there not a single recording of a high explosive being detonated? As you know, high explosives can be heard for miles around. Why is there no audio of explosives?
 
This post is basically incoherent, but I think I know what you are saying. Let me rephrase what I was asking.

As the towers were collapsing, why was there not a single recording of a high explosive being detonated? As you know, high explosives can be heard for miles around. Why is there no audio of explosives?

did Rick Siegel fake "explosions" ,like he calls it , into the the audio track of his video?

why did reporter say a huge explosion and debris reaining down on all of us....
did you hear an explosion in the audio of that video?
 
did Rick Siegel fake "explosions" ,like he calls it , into the the audio track of his video?

why did reporter say a huge explosion and debris reaining down on all of us....
did you hear an explosion in the audio of that video?

No. There was no audio of a high explosive being detonated in that video clip. The reporter was simply using a simile to describe the best he could what was going on at the present time. I have heard firemen describe the sound of the collapse as a locomotive. Does that mean a train was what caused the collapse of the towers? Also, you claim that many charges were placed in strategic locations to cause the collapses. Why do we not hear successive charges being detonated as the towers are coming down?
 
No. There was no audio of a high explosive being detonated in that video clip. The reporter was simply using a simile to describe the best he could what was going on at the present time. I have heard firemen describe the sound of the collapse as a locomotive. Does that mean a train was what caused the collapse of the towers? Also, you claim that many charges were placed in strategic locations to cause the collapses. Why do we not hear successive charges being detonated as the towers are coming down?

maybe they used huschabooms?
 
did Rick Siegel fake "explosions" ,like he calls it , into the the audio track of his video?

why did reporter say a huge explosion and debris reaining down on all of us....
did you hear an explosion in the audio of that video?
There was no huge explosion; you must lack any knowledge and experience in explosives. Zero RDX sounds, no TNT sounds, no explosives. Failure comes to mind, or 600 mph lack of logic. At least your sig is correct; your only saving grace, along with Gandi, who would not fall for the lies of 9/11 truth like you have (you have something going for you). An avatar who would not be a truther, and a sig based on engineering, from a great engineer. Me.

Floors and building being crushed by the energy of 100 ton of TNT kinetic energy. Sounds loud, but no explosives. This is very amateurish.

If this is your idea of evidence for explosives, you are meant for 9/11 truth. Failed ideas on 9/11 backed with nothing.
 
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Do you understand what sarcasm is? Hush-A-Boom is a mythical NWO device to silence the extremely loud sound if high explosive. Now read carefully:
NO SUCH DEVICE EXISTS

:D now i really wonder who is not knowing sarcasm ;)
 

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