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Cut And Run?

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Shields And Brooks On Iraq Hearings

Mark Shields: The fundamental message which the president took from it is that the United States is not going to lose this war by withdrawing on his watch, is not going to lose it, that is, visibly, officially, finally. And he's going to pass it on to the next, his successor, whoever that successor is. I think that's what he took.

Correct. We've expected this for some time.

David Brooks: And to me, the temper, the timing of that drawdown will actually not be set in Washington. It will be set in Iraq. If all these truces that now obtain in Iraq continue, then we'll be there. If it blows up, it doesn't matter even if John McCain is president. We're out of there.

Say what?

Mark Shields: No matter what happens. I mean, the readiness of the United States military – I'm talking about talking to military people. They know we're stretched thin to the point of breaking. It is that bad. Right now, just as an example of what we're facing, three times as many moral waivers had to be given. A moral waiver is given when you're seeking a recruit. You don't want recruits with prison records or rap sheets. Three times as many had to be given in 2007 as were given three years earlier. Those are people who've committed multiple misdemeanors and/or a felony.

And we had the lowest percentage of high school graduates enroll, enlist in 2007 we had in 25 years. And the reality is this, that if you're not a high school graduate, one half of them don't complete, by the Pentagon's own studies, don't complete basic training. I mean, so when we're giving $40,000 bonuses to enlistees, I mean, a private, I mean, this thing, Jim, we don't have it. And all three candidates, Obama, McCain and Clinton, all said, "Oh, we're going to expand the military. We're going to expand. Of course, we're going to grow the military." We can't. We can't. I mean, unless they have the honesty to say, "We're going to have to draft people in this country," and at which point there would be a revolt.

Reality check.

(1) The basic pay is $16,000 per year, compare that with the pay at McDonalds or WalMart with much less risk overall.

(2) Active recruits may be eligible for up to $40,000 combination of bonuses.

Now, if the basic pay rate was $40,000 and the bonus was $16,000 then maybe he would have a point.

P.S. That Cut And Run idea with McCain in the White House – Wacky!
 
Your soldiers make 16 grand? Ours don't get out of bed for that!

It is slightly misleading to only consider basic pay. Total compensation including various bonuses, allowances and benefits is actually higher.

But yeah, considering how demanding the job is, I sure wouldn't want to enlist for that kind of money right now. I make over $50,000 for checking and editing documents on a computer in an air-conditioned office without being subject to drill seargents, stupid military rules and enemy fire.
 
And yet our military could still squash you with ease. Don't mess with 'merica.

I don't know. Our crappy Collins Class submarines seem to do quite well against the you guys in war games.

And there is that whole army thing that is driven into children from a young age.
 

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