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Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins

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JEROME DA GNOME said:
Please, you should present your evidence of a mechanism which creates life sans life to science. You surely will will a Nobel Prize or two!
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I never said there was evidence. I never said evidence was required. All that is required do disprove the need for a creator is a potential mechanism. That does not require evidence that that particular mechanism actually occurred.

Try reading what I said again. I'm not saying that such a theoretical mechanism would disprove the existence of a creator. I'm not even saying that evidence that such a mechanism occurred would disprove the existence of god. That's precisely the point I'm making. Disproving the need for a creator and disproving the existence of a creator are two entirely different propositions.
 
wollery said:
Disproving the need for a creator and disproving the existence of a creator are two entirely different propositions.
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I need to quote in hopes that Jerome will read it at least once.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Curious, has anything been observed that proves there MUST NOT be an initiator?

See, this argument is little more than personal preference couched with an arrogance of certainty.
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Since an 'initiator' (God, Creator, etc etc) Can neither be proven, or disproven, Scientists remove it entirely from their work. They work purely from the evidene available to them.

Otherwise, there would be no advancements, no science. It would always be 'We don't need to know that, God did it!'

There is no scientific work that has ever said 'Thus, based on our findings, there is no god'. Its the Die Hard theists that insist that science is trying to disprove god with evolution and abiogenesis.
 
joobz said:
please actually read my posts.
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Jerome doesn't read other people's posts. He has been observed, however, to make up a complete and utter lie and claim that someone else has posted it.
 
Fitter said:
Jerome doesn't read other people's posts. He has been observed, however, to make up a complete and utter lie and claim that someone else has posted it.
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I see, the argument can not be dealt with so the lies against the presenter begin.

This is a common tactic of a weak mind presenting to other weak minds.
 
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RandFan said:
No fallacy Jerome. Nothing in my post precludes an "initiator". I'm simply demonstrating that in the past many people thought certain areas of knowledge were unanswerable because they were the realm of god. However, as has been shown time and time again, we don't need god to answer questions about the natural world.

There simply is no need to assume god.
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We are agreed.
 
Pathetic.
Almost 6000 "goddidit" posts in 6 months.
What has become of this forum.
Full of credulons and religionists.
Should be the JRRF now.
James Randi religionists forum.
 
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"credulons".... I like it...

(Come now, their intelligent designer sends them to us for our amusement...)
 
articulett said:
"credulons".... I like it...

(Come now, their intelligent designer sends them to us for our amusement...)
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I know ;)

I'm just in a bad mood. I apologise.
But it does seem that things are going the way of navel-gazing, belly-button-lint-picking schools of the 1970's.

No evidence needed, as long as we can have an interesting discussion.
That's what LSD was for.
 
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