'Molten' metal found at WTC 1, 2, and 7, 8 weeks after 9-11?

[TjW]

you think the micture of office materials and concrete/steel was enough heat source to melt steel? what amount of steel?

I give up. For what amount of steel do you have evidence that it was:
a.) molten (not just hot, but actually liquid)
b.) steel (not just metal or a mixture of metals and glass)

Where is that evidence?

 

[stateofgrace]

if working thermite devices exist, it should be enough to install those charges on one or two floors. atleast 3.7m i got told.

Really?

And which floors, precisely would your “working thermite devices", if they existed, be placed upon?

How would your "working thermite devices", if they existed, planted on one or two floors contribute to molten metal weeks afterwards?

 

[Apollo20]

Dictator Cheney:

Let's say there WAS molten metal in the WTC rubble pile.

And let's say it WAS molten steel.

Do you have any evidence as to when this molten metal was produced?

Can you prove it was produced prior to, during, or immediately after the collapse?

Sounds like it was discovered "days" after the collapse. But was it really a factor in the collapse?

If you are unable to show WHEN (and how) the molten metal was produced, then perhaps the molten metal, (if it actually existed), has nothing to do with the cause of the collapse.

Elevated levels of lead were found in the WTC airborne particulate above ground zero in October 2001. Does this mean lead somehow caused the collapse?

According to the ACS Symposium book "Urban Aerosols and Their Impacts: Lessons Learned from the WTC Tragedy" there were elevated levels of some very strange species detected in the air over Manhattan in the days, weeks and months after 9/11.

Species like vanadium, nickel, molybdenum, antimony, barium, bromine.............

What do these elevated levels mean Dictator Cheney?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I think Apollo pretty much said it about as goo as it can be said. unfortunately using logic against these arguments is useless. The twoofer side will just simply say that it's impossible for it to have happened outside of a CD or CD with thermite. Yes yes we all know that is absurd logic, but remember who we're talking about here.

These are the people who claim that unless they are personally given the serial numbers and pictures of every single part of flight 93 as well as some verifiable proof that all those parts came from the actual spot flight 93 is claimed to have crashed that they aren't convinced. This is just an example of logic, please don't let this example derail the thread.

 

[A W Smith]

Link or it didn't happen

its a Robertson claim.
i learned that robertson doesnt need to backup his claims.

three pages later taster and no link for that claim?

 

[PhantomWolf]

I think that Gumboot already nailed it eariler. On the assumption that the metal seen was indead steel, then either:

a) The temperatures in the pile were sufficent to maintain the molten steel as such and thus were also enough to create molten steel by themselves removing the need for Therm*te in the first place, or

b) there was hundreds of tons of therm*te in the piles to allow the reaction to carry on for weeks on end and continually make the molten steel.

There doesn't seem to be another choice and since one removes the requirement for therm*te and the other is plainly dumb, the whole molten steel line should be dropped from the Truther's book.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

three pages later taster and no link for that claim?

He provided a link. but the link proved that Robertson didn't actually say it. James Williams did. And no James did not back up the claim he made about someone else, and Robertson confirmed that not only did he not say such a thing, but that he wouldn't even be in a position to be able to say such a thing.

 

[DC]

Dictator Cheney:

Let's say there WAS molten metal in the WTC rubble pile.

And let's say it WAS molten steel.

Do you have any evidence as to when this molten metal was produced?

Can you prove it was produced prior to, during, or immediately after the collapse?

Sounds like it was discovered "days" after the collapse. But was it really a factor in the collapse?

If you are unable to show WHEN (and how) the molten metal was produced, then perhaps the molten metal, (if it actually existed), has nothing to do with the cause of the collapse.

Elevated levels of lead were found in the WTC airborne particulate above ground zero in October 2001. Does this mean lead somehow caused the collapse?

According to the ACS Symposium book "Urban Aerosols and Their Impacts: Lessons Learned from the WTC Tragedy" there were elevated levels of some very strange species detected in the air over Manhattan in the days, weeks and months after 9/11.

Species like vanadium, nickel, molybdenum, antimony, barium, bromine.............

What do these elevated levels mean Dictator Cheney?

i have no evidence that there was molten steel like i said already.
so its oc impossible to have evidence when it was molten

and the elevated levels as such means nothing. those "material" are used in alot things.

Vanadium for example is used in the steel production. and in Titanium afaik.

Nickel is part of Inox V2 and other things

also Barium is used in metal production, and glas production.
and so on.

do you also belive it would need tons of explosives or therm?te to bring down those towers?

and what do you think about the high Sulfur levels in the FEMA Steel sample 1 and 2 ?

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

thats far more interesting than any other higher level of anything in the dust.

did they already further investigate that like it is suggested?

 

[DC]

I think Apollo pretty much said it about as goo as it can be said. unfortunately using logic against these arguments is useless. The twoofer side will just simply say that it's impossible for it to have happened outside of a CD or CD with thermite. Yes yes we all know that is absurd logic, but remember who we're talking about here.

These are the people who claim that unless they are personally given the serial numbers and pictures of every single part of flight 93 as well as some verifiable proof that all those parts came from the actual spot flight 93 is claimed to have crashed that they aren't convinced. This is just an example of logic, please don't let this example derail the thread.

aah i see Dr. Greenings is now again the hero, just lets hope noone brings up LS quote or WTC7.....

 

[Jonnyclueless]

aah i see Dr. Greenings is now again the hero, just lets hope noone brings up LS quote or WTC7.....

thank you for providing a prefect example of my point. I couldn't have provided a better example than this.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I also like how Leslie asked Jones "we have determined beyond any doubt that due to the damage and fire the building was coming down no matter what. What point would ther be in speeding it up with explosives?"

But it's this kind of logic that Dick doesn't get.

 

[R.Mackey]

those 3.7m?

http://www.nistreview.org/WTC-PROGRESSIVE-COLLAPSE-BAZANT.pdf

Big mistake, pal. www.nistreview.org has been shut down since before you joined here. I found this out last month while cleaning up the references in my whitepaper.

So... what's your story? Are you either:

a) Someone who throws links around without ever reading them himself, or

b) A veteran Truther, cribbing stock responses from your past, who's only here to stir up trouble?

Whichever you are, I strongly suggest you put more thought into your posts.

 

[DC]

Big mistake, pal. www.nistreview.org has been shut down since before you joined here. I found this out last month while cleaning up the references in my whitepaper.

So... what's your story? Are you either:

a) Someone who throws links around without ever reading them himself, or

b) A veteran Truther, cribbing stock responses from your past, who's only here to stir up trouble?

Whichever you are, I strongly suggest you put more thought into your posts.

oh sorry didnt see that its shutdown ^^

http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/466.pdf

i am one that trows links he once reded but not always check if they still work.

i am a trouble maker? i think when my thaughts are so irational and delusional, i strongly suggest you press the ignore button, problemmaker solved

 

[DC]

I also like how Leslie asked Jones "we have determined beyond any doubt that due to the damage and fire the building was coming down no matter what. What point would ther be in speeding it up with explosives?"

But it's this kind of logic that Dick doesn't get.

beyond doubt? not for me sorry i doubt it.

 

[Arus808]

DC's one liners are getting annoying. DC, I suggest that you put thouoght into your replies. Its also apparent, that your grasp of the English language is getting better, even in your one liners. funny how you slip in to faux "understanding" of english, and can post correct english in the next post.


Your lies are catching up with you.

 

[beachnut]

beyond doubt? not for me sorry i doubt it.

You need to fake your status as ESL better. So your rebuttal to Dr Greening was disappointing. Are you working on another zen type reply?

Why do you post as if were Dick Cheney? What would Dick do with thermite that does not stay molten for days or weeks?

How long does thermite stay molten?

 

[DC]

You need to fake your status as ESL better. So your rebuttal to Dr Greening was disappointing. Are you working on another zen type reply?

Why do you post as if were Dick Cheney? What would Dick do with thermite that does not stay molten for days or weeks?

How long does thermite stay molten?

as if i am cheney????
lol
think Cheney spelling is alot better, also his choice of words.
in no way i do act like cheney,

i dont think Dick Cheney is a twoofer.

 

[DC]

DC's one liners are getting annoying. DC, I suggest that you put thouoght into your replies. Its also apparent, that your grasp of the English language is getting better, even in your one liners. funny how you slip in to faux "understanding" of english, and can post correct english in the next post.


Your lies are catching up with you.

oh thx

so now we are back to the point where you suspect me of faking my poor english skills

thats a honor to me, thx.

find mir ein ami wo schwizerdütsch chan

 

[DC]

the ppl that think im a troll or that i fake my english spelling, or just dislike me, like most do here,

there is an ignore function

use it

thx

 

[chillzero]

DC, it is ridiculous to 'participate' in a discussion and encourage everyone to put you on ignore. That's the very definition of a troll. People are trying to have a sensible discussion here and yes, they can ignore you, but it would be preferable all round if you would just post on topic, stop drama-queening to turn every thread into a thread about you, and be sensible in your responses.

For example, what is the point in posting something like: I don't really believe this item has anything to do with this topic, but here - let's post a link anyway? If it's irrelevant, then it's off topic, and you shouldn't post it. If you don't think thermal cutters were used, then don't post information about them because it's irrelevant.

To steer us back to topic - I think the matter has been covered extensively above, and I don't know what other questions could be raised about the metal on site. It is not unusual for fires to burn in this manner, for so long, and there was plenty of fuel.