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Reincarnation Is A FACT!!!!!!!!



Because I say so thats why and because I'm right. You can show me whatever evidence to the contrary but I know that I have to be right. The very idea of me being wrong is rediculous.
 
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Because I say so thats why and because I'm right.

Did you really just use "Because I say so" on a skeptic forum? This may work well for credophiles, but it doesn't fly here.

You can show me whatever evidence to the contrary but I know that I have to be right. The very idea of me being wrong is rediculous.

Why wouldn't evidence to the contrary convince you that you are wrong? You most certainly do not have to be right.

I am not the sort of person to believe anything on faith. I try to base all my decisions on evidence, no matter how weird the outcome may be.

Which is it, Ed? You're right because when you say things it makes them so, or you base things on solid evidence?
 
Which is it, Ed? You're right because when you say things it makes them so, or you base things on solid evidence?

Hahaha as usual the power of the internet to conceal sarcasm prevails!

I was joking in that last post. It was critique of the mentality of many of the people in this forum.
 
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Space Ed -

Why are you still babbling about this garbage?

Reincarnation is one of the sillier ideas out there.

It is never too late to go away and fade quietly into oblivion.
 
In addition he showed a number of feminine behaviours. He said that he wanted to be a girl, and as a young child, he generally sat down to urinate (Space Ed- the ****?). He also enjoyed wearing women's clothing and wore his mothers lipstick and earrings, and dresses many times. At school, he enjoyed playing and studying with the girls rather than the boys, and he did not engage in typical male behaviours for boys in that area such as climbing trees. Both of his parents complained about his feminine behaviours, and they said that they never talked to him about being the rebirht of his grandmother.

MtF GID cases seem to occur (according to the limited but fairly consistant research) due to the mother's thyroid/endocrine system disruption being the factor involved.

The masculinity of the brain is probably somewhat incomplete, due to the hormone level (testosterone mostly) regulated by the mother as a trigger mechanism for the as yet unborn's conversion from neuter/female to male in the womb.

It surely is stretching it slightly to say that this represents evidence in any form of some sort of female spirit present in the boy's body.

To do so one would have to postulate that the reincarnated would have some sort of influence over the mothers body functions influencing a condition present in the mother pretty much all her life, only showing up during gestation of the foetus, perhaps even when the reincarnated was still alive even, as in the grandmother? How about the non-related ones also? I think not.

No way, can this be a realistic proposition, and borders on the insanely circular logic that pure woo is made of sometimes.

This to me is a strong case of confirmation bias, based on the lack of knowledge or even an inkling that GID is a most likely a physical condition which it most likely is..

That is why psychological treatments have singuarly failed time after time, to the point where a significant number of GID cases are refered to surgeons, because the brain cannot be fixed. Its called reparatrive, or corrective surgery for good reason, that is, the changes have to get made to the sex organs.

So evidence (in this case) based on behavioural traits simply dosn't stand up to proper scrutiny in my mind.

I can't see personally that the boy/grandmother would also desire this, in reincarnating as such, as it is not a willful, pleasant condition for the majority of cases. Many simply commit suicide before they get far in life, and some are killed off by other means (intolerance by others).

If the parents induced it by conditioning then natural hormonal production would overrule it pretty much also, as the chemicals involved are powerful medicine indeed. It just would not stick .

They in fact object to it, so I cannot see that they had much influence over his identity, and reality would step in and make the parents look fools in the boys eyes possibly too. He/she knows what gender he/she is usually, don't you?

As far as I can see. Certainly not a case of some sort of female "spirit" nonsense. That is, to me, the result of not having the research, and blind faith in nonsense most likely.

This dosn't make sense to me, if the grandmother wanted to be reincarnated as a male, then she got it wrong then, badly so..

Badly wrong. If reincarnation worked, then this could not happen...

Sorry, epic fail, in my book, on that count alone.
 
Space Ed -

Why are you still babbling about this garbage?

Reincarnation is one of the sillier ideas out there.

It is never too late to go away and fade quietly into oblivion.

I'm still babbling about it because I am trying to work out if there is any validity in reported events. I am not discussing just a general metaphysical idea.
 
MtF GID cases seem to occur (according to the limited but fairly consistant research) due to the mother's thyroid/endocrine system disruption being the factor involved.

The masculinity of the brain is probably somewhat incomplete, due to the hormone level (testosterone mostly) regulated by the mother as a trigger mechanism for the as yet unborn's conversion from neuter/female to male in the womb.

It surely is stretching it slightly to say that this represents evidence in any form of some sort of female spirit present in the boy's body.

To do so one would have to postulate that the reincarnated would have some sort of influence over the mothers body functions influencing a condition present in the mother pretty much all her life, only showing up during gestation of the foetus, perhaps even when the reincarnated was still alive even, as in the grandmother? How about the non-related ones also? I think not.

No way, can this be a realistic proposition, and borders on the insanely circular logic that pure woo is made of sometimes.

This to me is a strong case of confirmation bias, based on the lack of knowledge or even an inkling that GID is a most likely a physical condition which it most likely is..

That is why psychological treatments have singuarly failed time after time, to the point where a significant number of GID cases are refered to surgeons, because the brain cannot be fixed. Its called reparatrive, or corrective surgery for good reason, that is, the changes have to get made to the sex organs.

So evidence (in this case) based on behavioural traits simply dosn't stand up to proper scrutiny in my mind.

I can't see personally that the boy/grandmother would also desire this, in reincarnating as such, as it is not a willful, pleasant condition for the majority of cases. Many simply commit suicide before they get far in life, and some are killed off by other means (intolerance by others).

If the parents induced it by conditioning then natural hormonal production would overrule it pretty much also, as the chemicals involved are powerful medicine indeed. It just would not stick .

They in fact object to it, so I cannot see that they had much influence over his identity, and reality would step in and make the parents look fools in the boys eyes possibly too. He/she knows what gender he/she is usually, don't you?

As far as I can see. Certainly not a case of some sort of female "spirit" nonsense. That is, to me, the result of not having the research, and blind faith in nonsense most likely.

This dosn't make sense to me, if the grandmother wanted to be reincarnated as a male, then she got it wrong then, badly so..

Badly wrong. If reincarnation worked, then this could not happen...

Sorry, epic fail, in my book, on that count alone.

Yeah the female boy thing is not tangeable evidence of any sort and yeh doesn't make that much sense.
 
Space Ed -

Why are you still babbling about this garbage?

Reincarnation is one of the sillier ideas out there.

It is never too late to go away and fade quietly into oblivion.

I've got a lot more background information from this. When I put the thread up although I know I appeared to be confident in reincarnation I was taking you all for a bit of a ride. I wasn't sure at all but I wanted to hear the the best objections you guys had to it. There have been lots of valid objections but other things have been put forward that have strengthened their claims. I think there could be an explanation other than reincarnation but I think something 'paranormal' is going on.
 
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Yeah the female boy thing is not tangeable evidence of any sort and yeh doesn't make that much sense.

Sort of blows the whole thing apart really, does it not? A lot of woo artists think it is valid though, do they not.?


I've met quite a few that think its the "best evidence" in my time, and a little research just knocks 'em dead. It certainly makes the whole "karma" nonsense look pretty weak too, as it isn't the reincarnated who influence it, but a hereditary female physical condition.
 
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Sort of blows the whole thing apart really, does it not? A lot of woo artists think it is valid though, do they not.?


I've met quite a few that think its the "best evidence" in my time, and a little research just knocks 'em dead. It certainly makes the whole "karma" nonsense look pretty weak too, as it isn't the reincarnated who influence it, but a hereditary female physical condition.

With regards to karma- nothing in the research indicates any validity in the idea.

I don't think it blows the whole thing apart at all. I think its superfluous to the strength of the case. It doesn't make it any stronger or weaker. Although choosing to be a boy then acting like a girl is a pretty silly thing to do. Hey, maybe the old bat was senile? lol
 
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With regards to karma- nothing in the research indicates any validity in the idea.

I don't think it blows the whole thing part at all. I think its superfluous to the strength of the case. It doesn't make it any stronger or weaker. Although choosing to be a boy then acting like a girl is a pretty silly thing to do. Hey, maybe the old bat was senile? lol

Or not reincarnated at all, and as a significant portion of the tale tries to convince others because of the gender opposition, I feel the case is weakened considerably. i'm sure you can perhaps see the point I am getting at here?
 
Or not reincarnated at all, and as a significant portion of the tale tries to convince others because of the gender opposition, I feel the case is weakened considerably. i'm sure you can perhaps see the point I am getting at here?

Yeah I see your point. The effeminate aspect of his personality is not convincing in the slightest. The birthmark which is physical evidence and much less up for interpretation is the important part of that extract. The odds of the child having a birthmark matching exactly the mark put on the grandmother is slim, although more likely than the birthmark is a magically transformed smear on a corpse that has become a birthmark by travelling from the physical realm, waiting a few years then coming back and then manifesting itself on a human.
 
It is the repeat occurence of thses type of events that has me interested.


After listening to the talk from Tucker you kindly supplied I can understand that.

I find such things interesting too, I'd prefer to have access to the data proper though. It is hard to draw conclusions without it I feel. My default setting is the need for firm evidence though.

Just try to keep your thinking cap on , (I'm assuming it is) as nothing is convincing as conviction of belief. I've erroniously fallen prey to that in the past.

More investigation needed perhaps would be the wisest choice , at least for me. I'd need some pretty objective data to turn around my skeptic veiws on such items.

I used to think such things might be possible, now it would take a considerable amount of non-anecdotal evidence to change my mind.

Anyway gotta go, I'd like to look at another thread I'm following, and see whats developing, nice to meet you.

Maybe catch you later

regards
BM
 
It's easy to think from some of the often repeated stories that there is really more evidence than there is for this. The trouble with anecdotes is they are self selected and the data has not been systematically collected. Also hypnosis just totally contaminates any story and that we do know from the evidence on the reliability of hypnosis to dredge up memories.**

But I have my own spooky anecdote to share and this one involved a prediction that came true, not just a recollection. But I'm a believer in coincidences, I don't put this out here as any kind of conclusive evidence, rather just a creepy story I have shared before.

When I was a teenager my boyfriend went back east to visit an aunt. He was impressed that his aunt was into the occult. We were immersed in the 60s, after all. She told him that he was the reincarnation of a cousin killed at the age of 19 in Korea ~9 months before my boyfriend was born. She told him he would also die at a young age as he was living the other half of the cousin's life. And my boyfriend did. He was killed at the age of 18 in a car crash.

I do think it was a coincidence. My boyfriend never mentioned this cousin before visiting his aunt and I think he would have said more if he had had any weird memories from the past. Again, we were open to all manner of possibilities in the Universe at that time. There is no reason to think a soul exists outside of the human body.

Brain waves are measurable outside of the body but there is no evidence they translate into real data other than what we recognize as certain kinds of brain activity. Memories are made from the structure of the neurons and connections as far as we know rather than being contained as some kind of code within the brain wave that would translate into the same memory if introduced into another brain. Though that would be an interesting experiment to see if we could capture and re-transmit specific thoughts. I don't think it has been tried just because it is such a far fetched hypothesis.

There were claims that worms could pass memories by being ingested but the research has pretty much been debunked. There is a nice summary of the science involved in this blog entry. I always thought it was the worm offspring the memory was supposedly passed on to. Maybe someone else can cite other research.

Anyway, now that I have totally butted into an ongoing conversation without reading any of it, I'll join in the ongoing discussion later on when I do have time to read the thread.

Carry on....




**The Mythbuster's did a pseudo-test that the participants recalled more details of an eyewitness event after being hypnotized. But from that one cannot say if other factors were involved. For example, more time or repeatedly going over the event in one's mind were potential variables that were not excluded in such a superficial test.
 
Hahaha as usual the power of the internet to conceal sarcasm prevails!

I was joking in that last post. It was critique of the mentality of many of the people in this forum.

So what's your real answer to PixyMisa's question?
 
I think you are fooling yourself there. If an Indian scientist did say theres evidence for reincarnation you'd be saying the same stuff. "They are from a biased and less 'sophisticated' culture" etc. You'd be saying "Now, if there were an American study..."

News flash: America and the west do not know everything. They are not superior human beings and you have no right to say that your culture is more sophisticated than theirs when you are clearly ignorant about it. Most modern organic chemistry techniques such as distillation were developed by arabs and there were 7 year long medical courses in India over 2000 years ago. In those times western europe really was a lot less sophisticated and more barbarous but they were no less human. Just as people in the east are no less human than westerners now.

Look, you're asking if there is any scientific validity to these claims. It wouldn't matter if they were looking at the incidence of influenza or something that the investigators can investigate objectively without the cognitive interference of the experimental subjects. But thats not what is happening in this experiment. The experimenters have to rely on the word of the participants. I've shown how psychology can easily bias the honest interpretations of the participants. But my point is that without any understanding of what constitutes a valid scientific claim, this problem is going to be significantly exacerbated. So yes it would be much more believable if the parents were scientists because they would know how to eliminate some fairy obvious problems from their claims, things that the experimenters can not.

Don't worry, I don't think it would be much better in america or anywhere in the western world. The forums on JREF show me how little people here know about the scientific method as well.

That said, I'm not a relativist. I do believe in objective right and wrong, I do believe there are better ways of doing things, at least more or less(I do leave a little wiggle room). But if you want to argue with me about this, put it in another thread.
 
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