Layman's terms please! Tower collapse issue

[Minadin]

The simplifications are in favor of the prevention of a global collapse.

 

[DGM]

I have a layman's question....

Do the simplifying assumptions of Seffen & Bazant, that Heiwa seems obsessed with (uniform density, unbreakable rigid upper block etc), make global collapse more or less likely than a more sophisticated analysis would?

If they make collapse less likely it seems Heiwa's position is untenable.

If it makes collapse more likely, has a more realistic analysis been carried out?

They don't assume what Heiwa says they do. Their models are biased toward ease of calculation and collapse arrest.

 

[Evilgiraffe]

Ok thanks guys...

So if reality says the towers collapsed, and a simulation biased towards their survival says that the towers collapsed..... WTF is Heiwa on about?

 

[stateofgrace]

Of course it worked! Nobody could answer the last question.

You are correct Heiwa,nobody did answer the last question, ie the question posted prior to your post.

To equate a plastic BBQ table with the twin towers is globally dumb. You've no idea what inertia is, do you?

Please allow me.

Yes,it is globally dumb. No,he has no idea what inertia is.

 

[Heiwa]

The simplifications are in favor of the prevention of a global collapse.

Or just the contrary: without these simplifications global collapse will never occur.

 

[Minadin]

Or just the contrary: without these simplifications global collapse will never occur.

Global collapse DID occur.

Please provide any evidence whatsoever that the assumptions made in Bazant's paper:

A) Had any effect on the real-world collapse.

B) Aren't in favor of collapse prevention.

Please provide your own scenario and/or the necessary calculations to back up either statement. I'm not even asking for both. One or the other will do for now.

 

[Architect]

Garden furniture -----> WTC structure.


Heiwa ------> Incompetent.

 

[Dave Rogers]

So if reality says the towers collapsed, and a simulation biased towards their survival says that the towers collapsed..... WTF is Heiwa on about?

Post #588, and none of us have figured that out yet. If you find out, let us all know.

Dave

 

[padragan]

Example?

Yes, example. Or do you propose that the twin towers WERE a garden table made out of plastic?

30 000 tons of solid, rigid, uniform density,

Ah, here we go again. Since you once more use the word DENSITY in your posting, let me hand you a friendly reminder to the question I gave you that you failed to give a straightforward answer to three times now (in case you forgot the question is wheter density have any relevance to the collapse (according to you that is, not Bazzant or anyone else)).

indestructible

Can you point out ANYONE that suggests that it was indestructable? Looking at the debris after the collapse I fail to see the upper block undented on top of the rubble. As far as I've seen every single authority suggests that the upper block took as much of a beating as the lower block in the impact since they were made of the same stuff and therefore equal in strength.

mass (an upper block) is dropped and destroyed something much bigger. What happened to this upper block afterwards? Did it disappear? When, where? It is a fantastic mass.

Answered above I think? The upper block shattered in the smaller parts that was found on top of GZ.

Another example. I drop a 100 kgs steel block on you. Afterwards, when you have been crushed, I retrieve my 100 kgs steel block from the mess that were you, so I can drop it on someone else.

Another example, aliens accidently swapped your sense of logic for a 100 kg steel block.

Seriously, how about coming up with examples that makes sense for a change?

What happened to your 30 000 tons?

Well, they didn't belong to me, but drop 30 000 tons from that height, observe it smash into the lower part of the same strength and pretty much everyone with half a brain realise what will happen.

 

[Architect]

Heiwa,

Tynnwyd llun o griw o ddisgyblion Ysgol Penrallt, Pwllheli ar ddiwrnod cau'r ysgol am byth ym 1988. Lle aeth pawb ar ôl hynny?

Newyddion da o lawenydd mawr i Eileen wrth i'w chynnig ar Benrhewl gael ei dderbyn, ond beth fydd ymateb Sioned?

 

[cloudshipsrule]

It is a fantastic mass.

You are quite right, it was a fantastic mass. My guess is you cannot begin to fathom the sheer breadth and weight of said mass.

 

[johnny karate]

In all fairness, didn't he say he was a naval architect who was qualified in structural engineering.

I don't think there's anything remotely fair about that.

Anyone who seriously makes the analogy he's made has no right to use the word "engineer" and their own name in the same sentence unless the words "couldn't be further from being" appear between them.

 

[Heiwa]

Heiwa,

Tynnwyd llun o griw o ddisgyblion Ysgol Penrallt, Pwllheli ar ddiwrnod cau'r ysgol am byth ym 1988. Lle aeth pawb ar ôl hynny?

Newyddion da o lawenydd mawr i Eileen wrth i'w chynnig ar Benrhewl gael ei dderbyn, ond beth fydd ymateb Sioned?

Cumbry ambeth!

 

[Heiwa]

Global collapse DID occur.

Please provide any evidence whatsoever that the assumptions made in Bazant's paper:

A) Had any effect on the real-world collapse.

B) Aren't in favor of collapse prevention.

Please provide your own scenario and/or the necessary calculations to back up either statement. I'm not even asking for both. One or the other will do for now.

Read my article! Start at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist.htm#AB

 

[Architect]

Cumbry ambeth!

???!???

Gyda'r Gwanwyn yn agosáu a'r tywydd ar droi croesawn Siân Lloyd i'r stiwdio i drafod pob dim dan haul! Cawn gyfle i wrando ar fersiwn unigryw Cate Le Bon o'r gân enwog 'Tocyn' gan Brân


ETA:
Mae diwrnod priodas Dai a Diane wedi gwawrio, ond nid yw pethau'n rhedeg yn esmwyth o bell ffordd.

 

[Architect]

Mason-Free Party: Keep taking the pills.

 

[DC]

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(PRLog.Org) – Jan 30, 2008 – Washington DC, USA - In two appearances on a Washington DC Pacifica Radio Station (14th and 18th January 2008), WPFW, on a show hosted by Author and Political Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. Judy Wood, a former Professor of Mechanical Engineering, and John Hutchison, experimental scientist, discussed how photographic and video evidence suggest that the World Trade Centre (WTC) towers were destroyed using Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). Many of the observed effects resemble those seen in John Hutchison’s experiments.

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John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and experimental scientist who has been working with “field effects” for almost 30 years. The Hutchison Effect is a collection of phenomena discovered accidentally by John Hutchison in 1979 during attempts to reproduce the work of Nikola Tesla. Hutchison uses radio frequency and electrostatic sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a volume of space where the beams intersect and interfere. The results are levitation of heavy objects, fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and wood, anomalous melting (without heating) of metals without burning adjacent material, spontaneous fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in a sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent changes in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metal samples.

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“Weird Fires” - The fires seen near the badly damaged cars do not seem to ignite nearby office paper. Some photos show firefighters walking very close to or even through the fires. A video by John Hutchison shows similar looking “fires” on a model metal boat.

Bent Beams and “Jellification” - Samples that Hutchison produced show very unusual effects on metal. Sometimes the metal “jellifies,” turning soft and losing form, leading to severe bending or fracturing of the sample. Sometimes samples erupt from the centre and sometimes they turn to dust, similar to what happened to the WTC on 9/11.

Ongoing reactions - Hutchison’s samples often show an ongoing reaction, even after the energy field is removed. This “non-self-quenching” reaction seems to occur at the nuclear level. This also appears to be happening at Ground Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood’s study suggests that the WTC site is still being “decontaminated,” with trucks moving dirt into and out of the site, while “hosing down operations” continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson photographed and recorded on video in January 2008.

Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to the Hutchison Effect seem to change at a molecular or even atomic level. This could be the explanation for the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel rusts like iron. Also, some photographs show unusual effects on the aluminium cladding used on the twin towers that look similar to effects produced on Hutchison’s aluminum samples.

no planes........

 

[mason-free party]

trouble with you guys on here you are either too dumb to see the real evidence or you are paid shills...which one is it?

always checktheevidence.com

 

[mason-free party]

with the exception of mr cheney of course

 

[TheRedWorm]

Mason, please do not post advertisements here. If you continue to do so, I will have to report you.