9/11 FDNY involvement

[CHF]

For WTC7 firefighters knew it was going to collapse. However it isn't known who exactly made the initial prediction, and using WTC tower as an example, it may not have been a firefighter at all.

Who cares about the "initial prediction?" Several FDNY made the prediction based on what they observed with their own eyes.

Also, if WTC7 was being attacked by therm?te before collapse initiation firefighters may have come to the conclusion independently without having to know it was an inside job.

The FDNY saw WTC7 being "attacked by thermite" and didn't think it was an inside job? Huh?

 

[firecoins]

This video also reminded be that Guiliani received warning of WTC tower collapse yet the firefighters weren't told. So in this case it was someone other than a firefighter that predicted collapse.

For WTC7 firefighters knew it was going to collapse. However it isn't known who exactly made the initial prediction, and using WTC tower as an example, it may not have been a firefighter at all.

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I am a NYC EMT.

First off Guliani is not a firefighter. He does not have a radio. FDNY did give warnings of a collapse to their firefighters but their radios did not work. Let me repeat that. FDNY radios did not work. In case you didn't understand, an evacuation was transmitted but not recieved by Firefighters in the Twin TOwers.

As far as WTC any all the firefighter knew the building would collapse since they wer not able to fight the fires. There wasn't a mysterious individual who made a magical predicition and broadcast it only to firefighters.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Schroeder said his team were in the tower for at least 5 minutes after the first plane hit before the elevators exploded, contradicting the official explanation that jet fuel cascaded down the elevator shafts and caused them to explode immediately after the plane struck.

well this is easily verifiable, did we are change bother talking to any other members of engine company 10?

 

[firecoins]

Sounds of explosions

I think it is quite obvious that firefighter testimony includes: sounds of explosions, flashes, and sequences of such described as being like a CD. This of course doesn't mean the firefighters think a CD occurred just that it is an approximate comparison.

Det Chord and chargers

With that said, another claim is that firefighters would have found det cord and chargers. However this claim assumes that firefighter would have been able to identify these things within the burning rubble pile. I have yet to see pictures of anything other than paper, concrete, steel, aluminum, dust, etc. Why should we assume that cord and chargers would be so easy to identify?

So I'm still puzzled as to why the firefighters would have had to have been in on it.

you don't know much about fires do you?

 

[johnny karate]

I found at least one firefighter that questions the official story. In this video he does not explicity support any alternative though.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7471885217846396761

Throughout that entire interview, Schroeder doesn't make a single explicit claim regarding an inside job. The closest he comes is answering extremely leading "yes or no" questions offered by the interviewer, none of which are very specific.

And this is the best and only firefighter testimony CTers have to offer.

video also reminded be that Guiliani received warning of WTC tower collapse yet the firefighters weren't told. So in this case it was someone other than a firefighter that predicted collapse.

For WTC7 firefighters knew it was going to collapse. However it isn't known who exactly made the initial prediction, and using WTC tower as an example, it may not have been a firefighter at all.

So if someone other than a firefighter predicted collapse of WTC7 (we know a non-fighterfighter predicted WTC tower), it would eliminate a need for firefighters to be complicit in an inside job.

Incorrect. Even if what you say is true, it doesn't explain why every single firefighter that was on the scene believed and continues to believe to this day what they were told.

To reconcile that with your claim, the FDNY that were on the scene must either be gullible fools who don't know how to do their jobs, or are complicit in covering up the true cause of WTC7's collapse.

I'll let you choose which.

 

[Sizzler]

Throughout that entire interview, Schroeder doesn't make a single explicit claim regarding an inside job. The closest he comes is answering extremely leading "yes or no" questions offered by the interviewer, none of which are very specific.

It is true that he doesn't make an explicit claim. He does however claim several time that "something else" was happening. That is very clear in the interview.

And this is the best and only firefighter testimony CTers have to offer.

only? hymmm. It went from "zero" to "only". I'll see if I can find another one.

Incorrect. Even if what you say is true, it doesn't explain why every single firefighter that was on the scene believed and continues to believe to this day what they were told.

What exactly is incorrect.

To reconcile that with your claim, the FDNY that were on the scene must either be gullible fools who don't know how to do their jobs, or are complicit in covering up the true cause of WTC7's collapse.

I'll let you choose which.

(bolding mine)

Why would they be gullible fools? If therm?te were eating away at the structure, firefighters would have noticed structural failure. They could have percieved it as failure due to fire. Of course this all lies on the assumption that therm?te would have been "secretly" attacking the steel. ie, no firefighters actually saw therm?te being used.

 

[johnny karate]

It is true that he doesn't make an explicit claim. He does however claim several time that "something else" was happening. That is very clear in the interview.

And yet the person conducting the interview never thought to ask Schroeder to be more specific. And yet there has been absolutely no follow up with Schroeder to glean more detail. And yet not a single MSM outlet on the planet found this a compelling enough story to cover. And yet the only place you will find this explosive (no pun intended) interview is on a conspiracy theory DVD conducted by the very people trying to sell that DVD.

I wonder why.

only? hymmm. It went from "zero" to "only". I'll see if I can find another one.

I personally never said "zero", which is beside the point. Schroeder never makes a single claim that indicates he believes it was an inside job, so for all intents and purposes, it is "zero".

What exactly is incorrect.

This is:

it would eliminate a need for firefighters to be complicit in an inside job.

Why would they be gullible fools? If therm?te were eating away at the structure, firefighters would have noticed structural failure. They could have percieved it as failure due to fire. Of course this all lies on the assumption that therm?te would have been "secretly" attacking the steel. ie, no firefighters actually saw therm?te being used.

The official position of the FDNY is that WTC7 collapsed due to debris damage and fire. Every firefighter who was on the scene agrees with this position. In over six years, none have come forward to dispute it.

If thermite was required to facilitate the collapse that would mean that the debris and fire were not significant enough factors, thus contradicting the official FDNY position and the beliefs of all the firefighters who were there.

Which brings us back to them being either fools or liars. Once again, I'll leave the choice up to you.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

It is true that he doesn't make an explicit claim. He does however claim several time that "something else" was happening. That is very clear in the interview.

Mr. Schroeder gets the order of the tower collapses wrong, and isn't corrected by the interviewer. He also admits that he's not exactly in top mental shape...

 

[Jonnyclueless]

you don't know much about fires do you?

You're missing the point. Sizzler is saying that the firefighters know how to determine an explosive from the many other things that cause the same sounds, but are incapable of identifying detonation cords in the remains as they are trained in great detail as to determining the cause of fires.

 

[Confuseling]

It might have been Pardalis in another thread describing this as a conspiracy-of-the-gaps. It's an apt description. Thermite is suggested because there are no seismic / acoustic signatures. Now it's a small enough amount of thermite to be indistinguishable from a normal fire. Soon it will be my cousin heard that Condoleezza Rice and Prince Faisal Al-Saud were engaged in a bizarre Satanic sex ritual at the exact moment of the first plane's impact.

It is devastatingly clear that they have chosen a result, and are now shoring up the facts to fit it.

 

[Confuseling]

ETA: you remind me of a creationist. Because science can't explain everything and there are still gaps in the fossil history so therefore evolution is wrong...

The god of the gaps I think we call it, but in this case god is "teh conspiracy".

Well said.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

It is devastatingly clear that they have chosen a result, and are now shoring making up the facts to fit it.

Fixed that for you.

 

[BigAl]

I am a NYC EMT.

First off Guliani is not a firefighter. He does not have a radio. FDNY did give warnings of a collapse to their firefighters but their radios did not work. Let me repeat that. FDNY radios did not work. In case you didn't understand, an evacuation was transmitted but not recieved by Firefighters in the Twin TOwers.

"FDNY radios did not work" is a generalization and an exaggeration to the point of being wrong. FDNY radios did not work inside the towers and the police and FDNY radios didn't inter-operate.

Warnings were broadcast by radio from the Police helo and FDNY didn't get the warnings of immanent collapse until or unless word was passed.

The "truth Movement" would disappear if people stated a fact instead of a vague exaggeration of the fact.