Wilders' movie "Fitna" released

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Oh the [muslim] world is gonna have such a fit over it. :covereyes

ETA Nothing new in there for me personally, except for the Dutch material. It was interesting to see that I had seen almost everything of the used footage except for the Dutch material as well as the beheading and mutilation parts.

I especially liked the message at the end that is directed at Muslims and got a bit sentimental. :blush:

If anyone's gonna have a fit over that movie, well, I'm not gonna say anything.. :rolleyes:
 
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Farewell, Mr Wilder. You will always be in our memories. :(
 
Woohoo! Let's have a Reichskristallnacht after all the propaganda! :)
 
Several inaccuracies and errors

While I watch the next talk show about the film on Dutch TV, a short observation from the previous one.

Wilders has violated the law with his movie. Not in the way we thought, but he is a plain copyright & portrait right pirate:
  1. the portrait purported to be the murderer of Theo van Gogh, Mohammed Bouyeri, actually is rapper Salah Edin. He is not amused.
  2. for the Danish cartoon shown -- Mohammed with the bomb in the turban -- he has not asked permission of the painter, Kurt Westergaard. Dutch TV phoned him, and he also said he would not have given permission if asked. He would contact the Danish Journalist Union for action.
 
ddt said:
While I watch the next talk show about the film on Dutch TV, a short observation from the previous one.

Wilders has violated the law with his movie. Not in the way we thought, but he is a plain copyright & portrait right pirate:
  1. the portrait purported to be the murderer of Theo van Gogh, Mohammed Bouyeri, actually is rapper Salah Edin. He is not amused.
  2. for the Danish cartoon shown -- Mohammed with the bomb in the turban -- he has not asked permission of the painter, Kurt Westergaard. Dutch TV phoned him, and he also said he would not have given permission if asked. He would contact the Danish Journalist Union for action.
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Haha, poor Mr. Edin. I wouldn't be either. Good to know. Keep us updated what Wilders might have to say about it.

ETA I suppose both Wilders and Edin have some history.


The National Reformist Party seems to have criticised one of Salah Edin (anyone noticed the Saladin in it yet? ;)) albums that it will sow hatred, although Salah Edin said “I want to reconcile, not polarize. But I also want men to think.”.

Anyway: If he's not selling this short movie, does he still violate copyright laws? He's even giving the sources at the end, too. :confused:
 
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mrbaracuda said:
Haha, poor Mr. Edin. I wouldn't be either. Good to know. Keep us updated what Wilders might have to say about it.
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I will. If I were Mr. Edin, I'd sue the bejeezus out of Wilders for associating me with the most notorious criminal in the last 5 years in NL.

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Anyway: If he's not selling this short movie, does he still violate copyright laws? He's even giving the sources at the end, too. :confused:
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Yes, that does not matter, but IANAL :). The crux is that the copyright holder has control how his material is used. I see no difference between using a cartoon in a movie you upload to liveleak or uploading an album on Kazaa.

AFAIK, all Kurt Westergaard or Salah Edin have to do is write to Liveleak and Google and other mirrors that they have to remove the movie under the provisions of the DMCA. These companies are smart enough to know that they have to comply.

And then, by tomorrow, Wilders will be able to complain that again, someone obstructs him -- though it's his own, amateurish error.

Yes, I'm quite fed up with his shenanigans. He must have known all along of sites like Liveleak and Youtube, yet he has pulled this show of negotiating with broadcasters (with unreal demands), he didn't even try to have it shown in Dutch Parliament, and I don't believe the reason given why his site went blank (Tuesday, an internet expert on Dutch TV speculated the real reason was simply money -- that NSI had asked Wilders how he would cough up the dough for the bandwidth it was going to pull).
 
mrbaracuda said:
ETA I suppose both Wilders and Edin have some history.
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I hadn't heard of a special controversy between them. But rap is not my special focus :). I viewed the clip -- Wilders is only very shortly shown in a TV fragment. As the rap is about how allochtone youngsters stand in Dutch society, I think Wilders would have had more to complain if he had not featured in the clip :).


mrbaracuda said:
The National Reformist Party seems to have criticised one of Salah Edin (anyone noticed the Saladin in it yet? ;)) albums that it will sow hatred, although Salah Edin said “I want to reconcile, not polarize. But I also want men to think.”.
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Hadn't heard about. It seems they asked questions in Parliament that the album had been subsidized in some way. This party, the SGP, are our protestant fundamentalists, btw. Until last year, they didn't allow women as members, let alone in a political function. A women's rights group had sued the government about this, and then the judge decided that the government had to stop the subsidies to the SGP (which every political party that is represented in Parliament gets). After that, they changed their bylaws. :D
 
Several inaccuracies and errors (part 2)

As stated on Dutch news show NOVA
by an expert:
  • The images with "bloody" children have nothing to do with terrorism, but are taken from some ritual festivity.
  • One newspaper clipping mentions suicide missions, but there has been no indication whatsoever there are such tendencies within the Netherlands (and all newspaper clippings shown have to do with the situation in the Netherlands)
  • Another newspaper clipping -- the one starting with the word "Laakkwartier" -- mentions links between the Dutch Hofstadgroep group and the Madrid bombings. No such links have ever been found.

The Laakkwartier, btw, is the quarter in The Hague where the members of the Hofstadgroep lived.

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The ritual festivity is the Day of Ashura.

A fourth inaccuracy mentioned was that Imam Fawaz was connected with the murder of Theo van Gogh, whereas he was on TV after the murder to condemn it.
 
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ddt said:
I hadn't heard of a special controversy between them. But rap is not my special focus :). I viewed the clip -- Wilders is only very shortly shown in a TV fragment. As the rap is about how allochtone youngsters stand in Dutch society, I think Wilders would have had more to complain if he had not featured in the clip :).
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But you can hear him throughout the video, can't you? Even if Wilders is not shown all the time, he's heard and takes up a prominent place in the video if I'm not mistaken. I think I also heard something about Nazis and then the scene with the dog barking at the prostrating muslim while having Wilders talk in the background again.

Even if it's not like in Fitna, where they mislead the audience by showing his face while playing part of the interview with the guy that murdered Van Gogh, it's eventually the same in my opinion - people will contextually remember Wilders as an evil anti-muslim as well as people will remember Salad Edin's face being the one of Muhammad B. (?), although it will be fairly easy to clear that one up.

I think this is Wilders' way of "getting back" at Saladin :rolleyes:
 
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As stated on Dutch news show NOVA
by an expert:
  • The images with "bloody" children have nothing to do with terrorism, but are taken from some ritual festivity.
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Did he say that this ritual festivity is where Shiites flog and cut themselves bloody (and their children, as seen) to show their solidarity and suffer the pain their hero Ali, companion of Muhammad and one of the "Four righteously guided Caliphs", had gone through when he was martyred by Sunnis? I think that's the story to that. Either your expert is not so good or you aren't relaying his message very well. ;)

How is showing this an inaccuracy or error? They don't connect it to terrorism, but show it in a broad frame of "How Dutch society can look like x-years from now"; that kind of thing.
 
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Agreeing on showing the video before they have even seen it or what were those demands?
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Yes indeed, that the broadcasters would show the video without a preview. He must have known beforehand that they would not agree to that.
 
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It's going to be just like that waste of $15 and an evening of human life, "The Last Temptation of Christ."

The ONLY reason most people went to it, and similarly, the only reason most people will go to, "Fitna," is to see what all the hubbub is about!

No hubbub, no viewership.
 
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It's going to be just like that waste of $15 and an evening of human life, "The Last Temptation of Christ."

The ONLY reason most people went to it, and similarly, the only reason most people will go to, "Fitna," is to see what all the hubbub is about!

No hubbub, no viewership.
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:confused:
 
mrbaracuda said:
Did he say that this ritual festivity is where Shiites flog and cut themselves bloody (and their children, as seen) to show their solidarity and suffer the pain their hero Ali, companion of Muhammad and one of the "Four righteously guided Caliphs", had gone through when he was martyred by Sunnis? I think that's the story to that. Either your expert is not so good or you aren't relaying his message very well. ;)
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Yes indeed, he mentioned nearly all of that. Thanks for the addition :). I'm typing this up in between the reruns of the TV shows, I was at a friend's and only heard the news on the car radio at 22:00 :mad:

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How is showing this an inaccuracy or error? They don't connect it to terrorism, but show it in a broad frame of "How Dutch society can look like x-years from now"; that kind of thing.
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Then at least it's inaccurate in that most muslims here are sunni and not shi'ite.
 
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