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"Jersey Girls"

Chillzero, the Jersey Girls and other family members deserve sympathy for their losses. They don't deserve respect for peddling worthless conspiracy theories that accuse innocent people of complicity in 911 (Silverstein, Secret Service, military, etc.) and lessen/ignore the responsibility of the hijackers. The Jersey Girls have been actively peddling bunk for years.
 
Tweeter said:
This is appalling, its like spitting on the graves of these widow`s husbands.I believe if you have anything to say to them , write them an email or something. I`m sure one of their relatives would kindly smash your face. I think you guys crossed the line here.
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9/11 truth is spitting on the graves of the Jersey girls husbands with each false statement. They have no evidence to support their false ideas.

If you support 9/11 truth, then you are spitting on the graves of the husbands. Your lack of knowledge on 9/11 does not give you a pass to be innocent and pass on your weak support of 9/11 truth false information.

My younger brother died, well before his time in 2002. I have no right to make up lies about his death and hide behind his death as I pass on false information. Jersey girls should not do it.

If the Jersey girls support 9/11 truth ideas that are false, they are not to be rewarded with praise. If they want to get even, then UBL is one of the people who told us all in the 90s he would kill us when he has the opportunity. Here you are with no facts or evidence, just a failed movement you barely are able to articulate any substantive support, when you could have gained knowledge to help prevent future accidents and terrorism in a way we all would approve of. Yet you support failed ideas and a group who spreads false information.

I did support the Jersey girls after 9/11 by doing my job in the USAF. All you have done is get upset about people pointing out their support of false ideas is not a good idea, and deserves no respect. When you finally understand the evidence about 9/11, you will start attacking others on their errors instead of your false ideas.
 
Tweeter said:
So one say, all say? I have a few questions, that is all.
Im not the drug taking, woo-woo, violent ,ron paul, everything is a conspiracy nut that you try make everyone out to be. I`ve never supported anyones views but my own.
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I never said you took part in the attacking. I merely point out your hypocrisy and blatant appeal to emotion.
 
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Wow. They might not be able to be objective, but they can very much think straight. It's quite presumptious of you to suggest that they are not thinking straight and you are.

I would go so far as to say they know more about that day, have talked to more people and are in touch with far more research than anyone, yes anyone on this forum.
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Wow.
Perhaps you missed the relevant words in my post - "in this matter". This is far too emotive an area for them to think straight. I didn't presume anything about them, or myself.

StoneWT said:
Chillzero, the Jersey Girls and other family members deserve sympathy for their losses. They don't deserve respect for peddling worthless conspiracy theories that accuse innocent people of complicity in 911 (Silverstein, Secret Service, military, etc.) and lessen/ignore the responsibility of the hijackers. The Jersey Girls have been actively peddling bunk for years.
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But I don't think they deserve complete derision either. Speaking as a past victim of certain things myself, judgement can be skewed, particularly when you can't get all the answers. I don't think they deserve credit, but I definitely don't think they deserve to be ridiculed either, nor spoken of so harshly.

Now, perhaps we can all restore some civility to the thread, and stop bickering with each other. Otherwise I predict it won't be postable much longer.
 
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Breitweiser has not embraced "Trutherism" unlike Casazza, Kleinberg and Van Auken. I used to assume that the latter were just going along with the Troofers because their interests (a new investigation) coincided, but these days the three remaining Jersey Girls are pretty much nutbar conspiracy theorists, talking about how cellphones can't work, and why did Building 7 collapse and how did the Secret Service know Bush was safe at Booker Elementary.
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If the cell phones worked then can you list which passengers made cell phone calls because other than 2 people on UA93 it seems all the calls were made via airphone per the evidence presented by the FBI at the Moussaoui trial.

Nice to see you insult family members of 9/11 victims. "nutbar conspiracy theorists"...........

You dating that Ann Coulter guy or something?
 
TC329 said:
If the cell phones worked then can you list which passengers made cell phone calls because other than 2 people on UA93 it seems all the calls were made via airphone per the evidence presented by the FBI at the Moussaoui trial.

Nice to see you insult family members of 9/11 victims. "nutbar conspiracy theorists"...........

You dating that Ann Coulter guy or something?
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... I would have to think it would be those two passengers then.
 
TC329, do you understand the concept of "on topic"? It doesn't mean whatever you feel like talking about at a given moment. Please check the OP.

Where's a mod when you need one. Oh, well.
 
TC329 said:
If the cell phones worked then can you list which passengers made cell phone calls because other than 2 people on UA93 it seems all the calls were made via airphone per the evidence presented by the FBI at the Moussaoui trial.
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pleaser remember this is about the Jersey Girls. Please take your "cell" phone theory to the appropriate thread
 
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SDC said:
TC329, do you understand the concept of "on topic"? It doesn't mean whatever you feel like talking about at a given moment. Please check the OP.

Where's a mod when you need one. Oh, well.
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Are you accusing me of introducing the cell phones into this thread?
 
Upthread, someone (Red I., I guess) referred to the Jersey girls as being the truth movement. (To the exclusion of anyone else?) I am surprised, then, how little I hear about them. Must be something wrong with me.

Also there was a reference to their pointing to alleged potential whistleblowers. Pfeh. What did these alleged potential whistleblowers actually say?
 
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chillzero said:
I don't think they deserve credit, but I definitely don't think they deserve to be ridiculed either, nor spoken of so harshly.
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They don't deserve credit? Mr. Cheney told you already that without their efforts, there very likely wouldn't have been a 9/11 Commission at all. Without their continued efforts, the 9/11 Commission would've been headed by Henry Kissinger, of all people.
 
GregoryUrich said:
The Jersey girls are not being used by the movement. They ARE the movement, which they pretty much started based on their own research and lack of responsiveness by the government.
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Really? How come Alex Jones, Chris Bollyn, David Ray Griffin, and Dylan Avery get the spotlight then?
 
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StoneWT said:
Chillzero, the Jersey Girls and other family members deserve sympathy for their losses. They don't deserve respect for peddling worthless conspiracy theories that accuse innocent people of complicity in 911 (Silverstein, Secret Service, military, etc.) and lessen/ignore the responsibility of the hijackers. The Jersey Girls have been actively peddling bunk for years.
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That, and the Jersey Girls are essentially accusing other victims are being part of the plot (i.e Flight 93 victims with the fake "cellphone" calls)

They shouldn't get a free pass with that remark, even if their loved ones died on 9/11.
 
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Chillzero,

Well, I stand by my statement; If these three, or four, women believe this crap, no matter what the grief that leads them to WANT to, they are just like all the rest of the Truthers; nuts. Because when you decide to believe a lie, even if it is for reasons of grief, you have abdicated your sanity and by definition are nuts.

If you want to think me callous, fine, but I think THEY are callous for calling criminals so many of the firefighters and military personnel who gave all that they had on that day, because if they support the idea that it was an inside job, those people were by definition in on it.

-Ben
 
While they have been through a tragedy, it's not callous to call the things they say crazy.

Also, trying to finagle that type of thing into "attacking victims" is quite stretching it. I give them a free pass to say crazy things, but I don't think crazy things said by people who have suffered tragedy, should go unchallenged. That's silly. Especially with the tactic the truth movement uses.

"Victims families believe some conspiracy theories...."

the response is "Well, they're crazy to believe those"

Truth movement "How dare you attack innocent victims"

eta: It's a highly dishonest, and pretty callous tactic. It's the same thing they did with Sheehan. You support what someone is saying, so you take advantage of their sympathetic situation, to further your political agenda. That seems pretty callous to me.

eta: And really. Most truthers are faking empathy, to try and further their movement. People on this board have observed truthers enough to know that they have no sense of compassion for those lost on 9-11. They routinely accuse people of murder, with very little evidence. They accuse people of being complicit in the murder of their son, they accuse people of being complicit in the murder of their comrades, and they accuse people of keeping quiet in order to save their jobs. And then these people try and grab a position of moral high ground???? No.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
They don't deserve credit? Mr. Cheney told you already that without their efforts, there very likely wouldn't have been a 9/11 Commission at all. Without their continued efforts, the 9/11 Commission would've been headed by Henry Kissinger, of all people.
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And what good was the 9/11 Commission? None according to the Truthers. And none according to me. And even if they heard every so-called "whistleblower," all we would have learned is more on how damned incompetent many parts of the American Bureaucracy have become, and how people hired for political reasons are bloody useless.

No no credit confers for having caused the USA to waste millions of dollars on a useless commission.
 
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BenBurch said:
And what good was the 9/11 Commission? None according to the Truthers. And none according to me. And even if they heard every so-called "whistleblower," all we would have learned is more on how damned incompetent many parts of the American Bureaucracy have become, and how people hired for political reasons are bloody useless.

No no credit confers for having caused the USA to waste millions of dollars on a useless commission.
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You think the 9/11 Commission was useless? How come?

edit: Assuming you think 9/11 was satisfyingly investigated, this statement is a little bit surprising, and i would like you to elaborate on it. If not, we certainly agree on the uselessness of a commission lead by people like Kean, businesspartner of the Saudis, and Zelikow, mythmaker and Rice buddy.
 
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