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"Jersey Girls"

njslim said:
My neighbor who lives across the hall in my apartment building lost 2 of her sons who
worked for Cantor Fitzgerald in North Tower. I don't hear her whining and spewing out idiotic truther crap...

Real classy lady .....
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What whining and idiotic truther crap have the Jersey Girls been spewing?

1337m4n said:
Are those the women who lost husbands in the attack and are now being exploited by the Truth Movement every chance it gets?
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They care about finding out the truth behind 9/11.
 
BenBurch said:
Can you document more than these four? Somehow I doubt it.

I'm betting that in the pool of survivor's families, more people believe in UFOs than believe this crap.
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Here's Bob McIlvaine. He wants a new investigation and those responsible for the murder of his son held accountable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj7lyCh1UAM

Bob McIlvaine, father of Robert McIlvaine, Assistant Vice President, Merrill Lynch, WTC North Tower, 106th floor. Interview by Evan Solomon, CBC News 8/30/06: Bob McIlvaine: "I believe 100% that the U.S. orchestrated 9/11 with the help of other agencies around the world. But my blame goes to the United States because it happened in the U.S. There's people within the U.S. that knew it happened, that planned this to happen."

Bill Doyle – father of Joseph Doyle, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC North Tower. Article 8/6/05: "I honestly don't believe the government story." During another interview, Doyle said: "The 9/11 Commission is probably the worst representation of the 9/11 Families or for that matter all the American public because it's a sham. It really is.... We had tons of different questions that we asked them to ask. They wouldn't do it. And the continuing cover-up is just beyond belief... There's just such a continuing coverup. And why don't we just let the information about 9/11 be known? And then maybe this conspiracy type of thing would go away, but it's never going to go away or I don't think it can go away because they were complicit..."

Michelle Little, sister of Firefighter David M. Weiss, FDNY, Rescue Company 1, Midtown Manhattan, lost his life trying to rescue others from the World Trade Center the day of the attacks. Press Conference, National Press Club 9/12/06: "I am here today to call for the facts of September 11, 2001 to be released to the American public. ... The time is now to call upon all the Americans to lobby local media to cover this story and to pressure members of Congress to support legislation by reopening this investigation. We must hold those involved accountable for this atrocious tragedy. My brother, David, and ten brothers from his unit were murdered on 9/11. For them and for all of our mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, aunts and uncles that died that day, it is imperative for their lives to know the truth."

Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps. Retired U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. 20-year Marine Corps career. ]"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ... Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away. If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you?"

Barry Zelman, brother of Kenneth Zelman, Oracle Corp., on assignment at Marsh & McLennan, WTC North Tower, 99th floor. Speech given at The Citizens' Commission on 9-11, 9/9/04: "I just embrace people that understand that four airplanes an hour and half between the first impact and the second impact with zero military response in the United States. It didn't happen that way. It couldn't have happened that way. You're talking about the most intelligent agencies that we have on the face of the earth. State of the art agencies ... And there was zero military response? ...It's very transparent that our own president did not want to investigate this tragedy. And I'm standing before you today for one reason. The only thing that I can give my brother is the truth. That's it."
 
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It's amazing to me the things twoofers will tell themselves to convience themselves they are not alone. And then they throw their rallies and no one shows up. They claim 75% of the world is on their side and yet no one shows up. They claim all these family members think it was an inside job yet none of them show up or speak up despite their loved ones being killed.
 
Alzke said:
Here's Bob McIlvaine. He wants a new investigation and those responsible for the murder of his son held accountable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj7lyCh1UAM

Bob McIlvaine, father of Robert McIlvaine, Assistant Vice President, Merrill Lynch, WTC North Tower, 106th floor. Interview by Evan Solomon, CBC News 8/30/06: Bob McIlvaine: "I believe 100% that the U.S. orchestrated 9/11 with the help of other agencies around the world. But my blame goes to the United States because it happened in the U.S. There's people within the U.S. that knew it happened, that planned this to happen."

Bill Doyle – father of Joseph Doyle, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC North Tower. Article 8/6/05: "I honestly don't believe the government story." During another interview, Doyle said: "The 9/11 Commission is probably the worst representation of the 9/11 Families or for that matter all the American public because it's a sham. It really is.... We had tons of different questions that we asked them to ask. They wouldn't do it. And the continuing cover-up is just beyond belief... There's just such a continuing coverup. And why don't we just let the information about 9/11 be known? And then maybe this conspiracy type of thing would go away, but it's never going to go away or I don't think it can go away because they were complicit..."

Michelle Little, sister of Firefighter David M. Weiss, FDNY, Rescue Company 1, Midtown Manhattan, lost his life trying to rescue others from the World Trade Center the day of the attacks. Press Conference, National Press Club 9/12/06: "I am here today to call for the facts of September 11, 2001 to be released to the American public. ... The time is now to call upon all the Americans to lobby local media to cover this story and to pressure members of Congress to support legislation by reopening this investigation. We must hold those involved accountable for this atrocious tragedy. My brother, David, and ten brothers from his unit were murdered on 9/11. For them and for all of our mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, aunts and uncles that died that day, it is imperative for their lives to know the truth."

Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps. Retired U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. 20-year Marine Corps career. ]"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ... Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away. If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you?"

Barry Zelman, brother of Kenneth Zelman, Oracle Corp., on assignment at Marsh & McLennan, WTC North Tower, 99th floor. Speech given at The Citizens' Commission on 9-11, 9/9/04: "I just embrace people that understand that four airplanes an hour and half between the first impact and the second impact with zero military response in the United States. It didn't happen that way. It couldn't have happened that way. You're talking about the most intelligent agencies that we have on the face of the earth. State of the art agencies ... And there was zero military response? ...It's very transparent that our own president did not want to investigate this tragedy. And I'm standing before you today for one reason. The only thing that I can give my brother is the truth. That's it."
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I see we're edging up towards double digits now. Quite a consensus.
 
Twoofers will seek whatever justification they can get for what they do. They'll glom onto the widows, the family members, the first responders... whatever will give them a free pass to put their talking points out there for the thousandth time. Even if it's just a handful, they'll hold them out and build them up as representative of their entire group to legitimize themselves. Classic appeal to authority. You don't believe what I say? Here's a 9/11 widow saying the same thing. How dare you object to what they say!
 
I can understand why a small percentage of family members who have lost a loved one on 9/11 would have a need, not a want but a need, to believe it was an inside job. If it were indeed the work of Islamic extremists on the other side of the globe, then they can never have justice, nor really understand why the crime was committed in the first place. It's much easier if the perpetrators are right here on American soil, and were driven by good old American vices like greed and lust for power. THAT they can understand, and can express outrage about. It's more difficult for them to accept that so many people died just so a bunch of strange people in a strange culture could make some sort of "statement".

Grief can lead rational people to become quite irrational, at times.
 
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aggle-rithm said:
I can understand why a small percentage of family members who have lost a loved one on 9/11 would have a need, not a want but a need, to believe it was an inside job. If it were indeed the work of Islamic extremists on the other side of the globe, then they can never have justice, nor really understand why the crime was committed in the first place. It's much easier if the perpetrators are right here on American soil, and were driven by good old American vices like greed and lust for power. THAT they can understand, and can express outrage about. It's more difficult for them to accept that so many people died just so a bunch of strange people in a strange culture could make some sort of "statement".
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Very sad, but very true. Well said.
 
A W Smith said:
How many people have come forward to claim the earth is round? do you see the error of your logic? No of course you don't. Your a troofer.
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Aristoteles
Magellan
Parmenides
Eratostehenes
Archimedes

and many many others.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
Aristoteles
Magellan
Parmenides
Eratostehenes
Archimedes

and many many others.
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It wasn't as obvious hundreds or thousands of years ago, champ. A cursory glance at a first grade history textbook would tell you that. Saying this at the time was a big deal precisely because humanity on the whole did not know the facts.

In fact, for centuries, many people thought that stating this scientific fact was heresy.

Same with 9-11 Troofers. You state facts to them, and they carry on like you've gravely insulted their prophet and their belief system. The more excitable ones like Kevin Barrett will wish death upon you and threaten to hang you "when the revolution comes."

:eye-poppi
 
Good Lt said:
It wasn't as obvious hundreds or thousands of years ago, champ. A cursory glance at a first grade history textbook would tell you that. Saying this at the time was a big deal precisely because humanity on the whole did not know the facts.

In fact, for centuries, many people thought that stating this scientific fact was heresy.

Same with 9-11 Troofers. You state facts to them, and they carry on like you've gravely insulted their prophet and their belief system. The more excitable ones like Kevin Barrett will wish death upon you and threaten to hang you "when the revolution comes."

:eye-poppi
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ah maybe thats the reason so many ppl come forward and talk about theyr doubts of the official theory. because alot ppl , especially here, are not aware of this yet.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
ah maybe thats the reason so many ppl come forward and talk about theyr doubts of the official theory. because alot ppl , especially here, are not aware of this yet.
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We're not aware that 9-11 Troofers don't accept the factual reality and progression of events that occurred on 9-11?

And here you are, posting on a forum designated for the exclusive purpose of debunking and obliterating said "objections" by the 9-11 Troof cult to facts and reality?

Do you read what you type?
 
Good Lt said:
We're not aware that 9-11 Troofers don't accept the factual reality and progression of events that occurred on 9-11?

And here you are, posting on a forum designated for the exclusive purpose of debunking and obliterating said "objections" by the 9-11 Troof cult to facts and reality?

Do you read what you type?
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the flatworlders considered the flat world as a fact.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
the flatworlders considered the flat world as a fact.
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And like Troofers, Flat Earthers have no evidence - NONE - to support their ridiculous beliefs other than the beliefs themselves.

You're not helping your case by comparing the Troof cult to the Flat Earthers.
 
You are all being led off topic once more.

By the way, I think it's incredibly callous to call these women nutbars. They are victims themselves, albeit indirectly. They are grieving, and in a difficult place. They'll never have anything answered to their satisfaction, because so much of the event was not covered by tv, or logs or records. Yes, I know a vast amount of it was. They are also not experts, and they are being used by a movement for the movement's own means.

The movement may not deserve respect in anyone's eyes, but these families of people who died that day do; at least to that fact.
 
chillzero said:
You are all being led off topic once more.

By the way, I think it's incredibly callous to call these women nutbars. They are victims themselves, albeit indirectly. They are grieving, and in a difficult place. They'll never have anything answered to their satisfaction, because so much of the event was not covered by tv, or logs or records. Yes, I know a vast amount of it was. They are also not experts, and they are being used by a movement for the movement's own means.

The movement may not deserve respect in anyone's eyes, but these families of people who died that day do; at least to that fact.
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That's commendable for you to say, but what makes you think they're being "used by a movement"? They're tough, they're strong, they've been through a lot. They don't come off as naeve.

The first chapter of Shenon's book depicts them as remarkable women who were able to chase Henry Kissinger from taking the job as sole commissioner of the Commission.
 
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