[Moderated]List Of NYC Firefighters Who Think Bombs Brought Down The Towers

[DC]

Inherent venerabilities in the design of open floor spaces if you ask my humble (yet professional) opinion. Sorry no conspiracies just tough choices in building codes.

wasnt there the emergency bunker in WTC7?
doesnt sound like a good designed bunker.

 

[Mince]

what is considered the officil theory is FEMA NIST NTSB 9/11-Commission reports.

No theories are official. They're theories. Why does it seem that everyone in the Lie Movement believes that the "official story/theory/novella/tale/fable" was puported to be absolute truth and that everyone on this message board believes it to be so? It was a best guess based on available evidence at the time...not absolute truth. There is no way any kind of investigation, independent or otherwise, is going to produce any useful fruit almost seven years later. See: JFK






I've forgiven your spelling and grammar...if you were wondering.

 

[DC]

No theories are official. They're theories. Why does it seem that everyone in the Lie Movement believes that the "official story/theory/novella/tale/fable" was puported to be absolute truth and that everyone on this message board believes it to be so? It was a best guess based on available evidence at the time...not absolute truth. There is no way any kind of investigation, independent or otherwise, is going to produce any useful fruit almost seven years later. See: JFK


I've forgiven your spelling and grammar...if you were wondering.

but in debates, when ppl talk about the "official theory/story" mostly they talk about those reports. wich indeed are not considered the full truth.

 

[CHF]

i dont know if "twoofers" or whatever childish name one wants to give them, agree with me. but i would like to see an international board of experts.

Like who?

but most important is, that everything is public, so everyone can see how the conclusions are reached. no secrets, no stonewalling and such.

You mean sort of like how the NIST report can be downloaded and examined by anyone in the world?

 

[Mince]

A "rogue" element of the U.S. Government is powerful enough to destroy two of the largest buildings in the world, in the heart of the most populated city in America, cause near financial ruin to several airline corporations and many of the financial concerns housed in the WTC buildings, murder approxiamately 3,000 of its own citizens, and manage to keep nearly everyone (less a few thousand internet secret agent hacks) quiet and duped for seven and a half years; and you don't think they'd find a way to influence any investigation?

???

Your words ideas are not correlating with reality.

 

[DGM]

wasnt there the emergency bunker in WTC7?
doesnt sound like a good designed bunker.

Bunker is an inaccurate name for a command canter. Hindsight is a great asset as far as deciding it wasn't a good place to locate it.

 

[Good Lt]

Dictator Cheney,

Please stop ignoring the refutation of your "indications for controlled demolition" that I refuted point by point in this post. I'll reprint it here so that you can't ignore it:

those indications that all are "debunked" like collapse speed, "squibs", possible thermite traces, high sulfur levels in WTC steel (FEMA), molten metal and so on. im sure you know them and found a convincing explaination.

Everythying you just listed has been debunked.

There were no "squibs."

There was no "thermite," and anybody claiming this has yet to show any physical evidence of it.

High sulfur levels were not caused by explosives. This is taken from pathetic Steven Jones paper (Answers to Objectionable Questions) in which he (SURPRISE) edited out critically important details when quote mining...er..."citing" his source for the claim.

Jone's quote:

"One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done,"

The next line (within the paragraph it was ripped from) Jones left out because it wasn't important:

One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," Swartz said. He said it was most likely produced by the plastic of tens of thousands of burning computers.

Oops! Jones probably should've included that, right? Just a minor editorial oversight.

Molten metals? Please.

I'm sure you're read this paper by Dr. Frank Greening entitled Aluminum at WTC. And I'm also sure you're aware of the work an Italian debunker has more or less shown that
"molten metals" flowing from the towers appears to be little more than leaking lead from batteries.

Not thermite. Not explosives. Not anything the Troof movement wishes it were.

Now that I've demonstrated that your "indications" are nothing more than a collection of weapons-grade bull, what other "indications" for controlled demolitions are you presenting?

Please respond to the obliteration of your long-debunked list of "indications."

Stop pretending you weren't responded to.

 

[DC]

Like who?



You mean sort of like how the NIST report can be downloaded and examined by anyone in the world?

is the full data of the fire tests with the floor reconstruction also downloadable? or the FEA models? the documentation of the tests of fireproofing removal and such?

 

[DC]

Dictator Cheney,

Please stop ignoring the refutation of your "indications for controlled demolition" that I refuted point by point in this post. I'll reprint it here so that you can't ignore it:





Please respond to the obliteration of your long-debunked list of "indications."

Stop pretending you weren't responded to.

the Sulfur levles come from FEMA :/ ill can link it to you if you want, but im sure you know what appendix i mean.

and about molten aluminium

less than 800° C says Dr. Greenings. well can anyone of you show me molten aluminium at 800°C glowing yellow in daylight, like we saw on video?

then i find the lead acid combination more plausible, has anyone done tests to it, to demonstrate it?

 

[DC]

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

fema about sulfur and WTC steel.

acid rain? high temperatures? other chemical reaction? both ? chemical reaction with high temperatures?

did they further investigate that already? or do they still have no clue?

 

[1337m4n]

OK, I apologise. If English is not your first language then you're not doing badly. Certainly better than I could do in French or German.

Just ditch the abbreviations.

Bananaman.

Also, capitalize your sentences.

 

[1337m4n]

Shouldn't there be, like, a list somewhere in this thread?

 

[scissorhands]

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

fema about sulfur and WTC steel.

acid rain? high temperatures? other chemical reaction? both ? chemical reaction with high temperatures?

did they further investigate that already? or do they still have no clue?

You mean those steel samples that showed no evidence of temperatures from thermite reactions?

 

[TC329]

The problem for you and for your Troofer acolytes is that you aren't clear on exactly what you are saying and never have been.

"Just asking questions" is the same thing as "I'm only using the Socratic method to imply that something else happened on 9-11."

You obviously believe something else happened on 9-11 - something evil, nefarious and dastardly within the US or Israeli or Pakistani government, but you won't come out and say what it is you think this dastardly deed is.

So why aren't you presenting an alternative theory or storyline that can be viewed, critiqued and vetted for accuracy in the same manner you're demanding of the "official conspiracy theory?"

I think I have an idea why, but I'm open to your opinions, too.

Just remember, Troofers, that consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

You forgot the Saudi's...........

 

[WildCat]

Shouldn't there be, like, a list somewhere in this thread?

There is a complete list in this thread. It looks like this:

 

[DC]

You mean those steel samples that showed no evidence of temperatures from thermite reactions?

yes those higly corrosed steel samples, with high sulfur levels that would lower the melting point.

 

[CHF]

is the full data of the fire tests with the floor reconstruction also downloadable? or the FEA models? the documentation of the tests of fireproofing removal and such?

Yeah I suppose NIST should have included every last thing they did in addition to the 10,000 page report they released - which no twoofer has bothered to read.

After all, I'm sure they love being accused of faking test results in addition to covering up mass murder.

 

[scissorhands]

yes those higly corrosed steel samples, with high sulfur levels that would lower the melting point.

And why do you consider them to be of interest?
Conventional explosives dont achieve those results and neither does thermite/thermate reactions.
Are you suggesting another cause?

 

[Dumb All Over]

This thread has been completely derailed. Can we get back on topic?

As I see it, Dictator Cheney started the list of firefighters who believe in controlled demolition by mentioning John Schroeder. The current consensus now is that Mr. Schroeder never said this.

Dictator Cheney, can you name any other firefighters who believe in CD?

 

[DC]

And why do you consider them to be of interest?
Conventional explosives dont achieve those results and neither does thermite/thermate reactions.
Are you suggesting another cause?

you dont consider them to be interesting? i do, i would like to know what caused it. i would like to see further investigations into this. something they never saw before.

i think it is interesting.