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What was the Saudi role in 9/11?

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Excerpt of an interview with Sen. Graham:

In general terms it included the details of why we [on the committee] had raised suspicion that the Saudi government and various representatives of Saudi interests had supported some of the hijackers -- and might have supported all of them. My own personal conclusion was that the evidence of official Saudi support for at least two of the terrorists in San Diego was, as one CIA agent said, incontrovertible. That led us to another question: Why would the Saudis have provided that level of assistance to two of the 19 [hijackers] and not the other 17? There wasn't an adequate attempt to answer that question. My feeling was there wasn't anything to justify that discrepancy, and so there was a strong possibility that such assistance had been provided to others of the terrorists, but we didn't know about it. Then there's another question: If there was this infrastructure in place that was accessed by the terrorists, did it disappear as soon as 9/11 was completed? There's no reason to believe that it did.

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Author Joe Trento goes further and says Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar were Saudi intelligence agents. I followed up with Trento and learned that he relied on multiple sources to confirm their GID status.

After 9/11, an unnamed former CIA officer who worked in Saudi Arabia will tell investigative journalist Joe Trento that hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar were allowed to operate in the US unchecked (see, e.g., February 4-Mid-May 2000 and Mid-May-December 2000) because they were agents of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence agency. “We had been unable to penetrate al-Qaeda. The Saudis claimed that they had done it successfully. Both Alhazmi and Almihdhar were Saudi agents. We thought they had been screened. It turned out the man responsible for recruiting them had been loyal to Osama bin Laden. The truth is bin Laden himself was a Saudi agent at one time. He successfully penetrated Saudi intelligence and created his own operation inside. The CIA relied on the Saudis vetting their own agents. It was a huge mistake. The reason the FBI was not given any information about either man is because they were Saudi assets operating with CIA knowledge in the United States.” [Stories That Matter, 8/6/2003] In a 2006 book the Trentos will add: “Saudi intelligence had sent agents Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi to spy on a meeting of top associates of al-Qaeda in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, January 5-8, 2000. ‘The CIA/Saudi hope was that the Saudis would learn details of bin Laden’s future plans. Instead plans were finalized and the Saudis learned nothing,’ says a terrorism expert who asks that his identity be withheld…

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CIA knew al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar attended the January 5-8, 2000 al Qaeda meeting in Malaysia. Did these supposed GID operatives know about the Cole attack in advance? Why would CIA trust these GID agents after the Cole attack?
 
It wouldn't surprise me if Al Qaeda had double agents in Saudi Intelligence - they had double agents in US intelligence.

However it's completely illogical and nonsensical for Saudi Arabia to support the 9/11 Attacks.
 
gumboot said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Al Qaeda had double agents in Saudi Intelligence - they had double agents in US intelligence.

However it's completely illogical and nonsensical for Saudi Arabia to support the 9/11 Attacks.
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AQ had double agents in US inteligence?
who where ?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
AQ had double agents in US inteligence?
who where ?
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Ali Mohamed. He was a member of Egyptian Islamic Jihad (an affiliate organisation of Al Qaeda that subsequently merged with them) who was training US Special Forces soldiers at the Kennedy Warfare School and working for the CIA and as an informant for the FBI while simultaneously training Al Qaeda members (including Osama Bin Laden's personal bodyguards) and planning the 1998 Embassy Bombings, and stealing and copying military documents. He wrote the Al Qaeda training manual.

In October 2000, he pleaded guilty to five counts of conspiracy to kill nationals of the United States and officers or employees of the U.S. government on account of their official duties, to murder and kidnap, and to destroy U.S. property.

However he has never been sentenced, and his actual whereabouts now is unknown. It is alleged he is cooperating with US authorities, and that in exchange for his assistance he will get a light sentence.
 
gumboot said:
Ali Mohamed. He was a member of Egyptian Islamic Jihad (an affiliate organisation of Al Qaeda that subsequently merged with them) who was training US Special Forces soldiers at the Kennedy Warfare School and working for the CIA and as an informant for the FBI while simultaneously training Al Qaeda members (including Osama Bin Laden's personal bodyguards) and planning the 1998 Embassy Bombings, and stealing and copying military documents. He wrote the Al Qaeda training manual.

In October 2000, he pleaded guilty to five counts of conspiracy to kill nationals of the United States and officers or employees of the U.S. government on account of their official duties, to murder and kidnap, and to destroy U.S. property.

However he has never been sentenced, and his actual whereabouts now is unknown. It is alleged he is cooperating with US authorities, and that in exchange for his assistance he will get a light sentence.
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However he has never been sentenced, and his actual whereabouts now is unknown. It is alleged he is cooperating with US authorities, and that in exchange for his assistance he will get a light sentence.
wow
 
Dictator Cheney said:
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There's quite a few aspects of Islamic Terrorism that I feel do not get enough attention. Stories like those of Ali Mohamed's are examples of just how sophisticated and serious a threat they are. Mohamed was trained by the US military and then used his training to teach the 9/11 hijackers how to seize an aircraft.

There's other fascinating snippets about Islamic Terrorism that are also often overlooked. The links to Nazism are the ones that personally fascinate me the most.
 
gumboot said:
There's quite a few aspects of Islamic Terrorism that I feel do not get enough attention. Stories like those of Ali Mohamed's are examples of just how sophisticated and serious a threat they are. Mohamed was trained by the US military and then used his training to teach the 9/11 hijackers how to seize an aircraft.

There's other fascinating snippets about Islamic Terrorism that are also often overlooked. The links to Nazism are the ones that personally fascinate me the most.
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what i find is pointing out in his story, how long they already knew or atleast suspected him. but then still when he was caught in canada in a suspect action, they helped him, told the canadians that he is an FBI informant.

is the CIA/FBI really so incompetent. or is theyr incompetence just a coverup for something else?

they fail so often and never get blaimed or its mostly not even known, it looks like it has a system, not just incompetence.
 
gumboot said:
There's quite a few aspects of Islamic Terrorism that I feel do not get enough attention. Stories like those of Ali Mohamed's are examples of just how sophisticated and serious a threat they are. Mohamed was trained by the US military and then used his training to teach the 9/11 hijackers how to seize an aircraft.
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It's always important to remember that typical 'truther' claims rely on simplifying things to idiot level. If a building fell and it appears it was straight down then there can't possibly be a complex method at work, it has to be something simple like explosions + core = boom.

The same (perhaps even more so) goes for historical and complex political events, any subtleties are ignored in favour of broadly painting a particular side. Often this isn't the case, and it's always nice to read posts like yours here gumboot :)
 
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what i find is pointing out in his story, how long they already knew or atleast suspected him. but then still when he was caught in canada in a suspect action, they helped him, told the canadians that he is an FBI informant.
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He was an FBI informant. The FBI had no idea he was also working for the CIA.


Dictator Cheney said:
is the CIA/FBI really so incompetent. or is theyr incompetence just a coverup for something else?
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The game of spycraft is incredibly murky, and it is virtually impossible to distinguish the trustworthy from the untrustworthy. US intelligence was desperate to get people into groups like Al Qaeda because they were finding getting into these organisations extremely difficult. They had spent decades fixated on the Russian threat.

They grossly underestimated their opponent, and never even considered that terrorist groups might be trying to infiltrate them.

In my experience groups like Al Qaeda are every bit as dangerous, sophisticated, and dedicated as the KGB was at the height of the Cold War.

I think even into the late 90's the CIA regarded them as a bunch of mindless religious nutjobs, and useful idiots, while the FBI just regarded them as a bunch of religious nutjob criminals.
 
but isnt it very very strange, that after even posters on JREF know that AQ infiltrated the CIA and FBI. Even now Sibel Edmonds, is gagged. noone cares about her story.
wich includes an attempt to recruit here as a double spy for a foreign organisation....

and are there investigations?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
but isnt it very very strange, that after even posters on JREF know that AQ infiltrated the CIA and FBI. Even now Sibel Edmonds, is gagged. noone cares about her story.
wich includes an attempt to recruit here as a double spy for a foreign organisation....

and are there investigations?
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Just a minute, I'll get it ordered.

But what I suspect you mean is, "what, you already knew this?!?!" because, like all Truthers, you don't grasp that we might all have spent a bit of time in pesky areas like research, and understanding.
 
Architect said:
Just a minute, I'll get it ordered.

But what I suspect you mean is, "what, you already knew this?!?!" because, like all Truthers, you don't grasp that we might all have spent a bit of time in pesky areas like research, and understanding.
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understanding? are you sure? i bet you are :)
 
Dictator Cheney said:
oh she is not gagged?
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Can you show a court order saying so? Didn't think so. There isn't any order that could keep her from revealing illegal conduct by the government, such an order would be illegal on its face.

and what exactly is not belivable in her story?
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That a translator who only worked for the FBI for 6 months would have access to the nformation she claims to.
 
The 'truther' mantra is that the 'government' is lying.

And yet they never wonder if maybe those nice people who make youtube videos and create their own websites and make claims which only the fringe of the news media bothers to cover, might also be liars.......
 
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