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Something new under the sun

BeAChooser said:
Yes, just like he said that there was no evidence that filaments out there are made of plasma. :D
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Straw man... you've now lost the ability to read? Hell I guess so since I just posted about this. Can't quite find that method of testing your EU-PU nonsense, eh? I know, I know. You're "looking for it."

Ah well, this whole endeavor has been fun, but like Sol Invictus and other folks around here who are serious about physics & cosmology, I think it's time to punch the ol' ignore button on you trolls.

Have fun working on your Nobel Prize ;)
 
MattusMaximus said:
No dice pal.
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You are hand waving, MM. Earlier in this thread you posted that "It'd be nice if the woos could show any evidence that the filaments of which they speak are by their nature made of plasma." So I did, in a rather long post. And you totally ignored my response. So were you just handwaving about your detailed knowledge of filaments, MM? :D
 
Reality Check said:
Is your motto "Nothing but electricity even with the lack of a large body of evidence"?
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No, I believe in gravity, too.

What I don't trust are all these invisible, inferred gnomes that you've created to prop up your mainstream cosmology and astrophysics theories.

:D
 
BeAChooser said:
You are hand waving, MM. Earlier in this thread you posted that "It'd be nice if the woos could show any evidence that the filaments of which they speak are by their nature made of plasma." So I did, in a rather long post. And you totally ignored my response. So were you just handwaving about your detailed knowledge of filaments, MM? :D
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Since it is unlikely that MM will answer, I may as well.
There is plenty of evidence of matter in between galaxies and this is probably in the form of filaments. All the articles that I have seen mention the filiments as part of the WHIM (Warm/Hot Intergalactic Meduim). This paper states that their results favour a "photoionized, cool gas" with a temparture less then 100,000 K. A plasma physicist would be better qualified to say whether a gas with this temperature could be a plasma or not. To my mind it looks a bit low for a plasma.

The big point is that these filaments are also supporting evidence for Big Bang cosmology.
 
Reality Check said:
states that their results favour a "photoionized, cool gas" with a temparture less then 100,000 K. A plasma physicist would be better qualified to say whether a gas with this temperature could be a plasma or not. To my mind it looks a bit low for a plasma.
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You pick a report that is talking about one specific quasar and conclude the filaments that are found ubiquitously beyond earth aren't generally plasma? Then I guess when NASA says that 99+ percent of the visible matter in the universe is plasma they are wrong? :rolleyes:

You also ignored the statement that "Contrary to theoretical expectations, this gas is not the shock-heated warm-hot intergalactic medium (WHIM)". It's NOT WHIM and the theoretical expectations that the result is contrary to happens to be the basis of the computer model you mentioned earlier. That model requires the presence of warm-hot dark matter to form those long filaments. Now why would dark matter be warm but all the other material out there be cool? Hmmmmm?

By the way ... do you think the gas inside this lamp is over 100,000 K :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Plasma-lamp_2.jpg

Reality Check said:
The big point is that these filaments are also supporting evidence for Big Bang cosmology.
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No, the big point is that MM won't give Zeuzzz even a few hours to write a response but he's had days to respond to my post proving he was wrong ... and didn't. :D
 
BeAChooser said:
What do you think conditions are like inside a plasmoid, David? Is it really hot? Are the plasmas fast moving? Think about that, then tell us what will keep Betelgeuse from collapsing before it runs out of fuel?
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You are avoiding the question BAc, and it shows.

The issue is that if the plasmoid allegedly at the center of the galaxy was fusing elements to maintain kinetic pressure against gravity it would burn through its feul very quickly.

You are just dodging, you now have your Miracle Gnome, the Plasmoid at the center of the Galaxy. if it is using fusion like Betelgeuse then it would burn through it's feul very rapidly and then go supernova.

You can't answer a direct question.

What would keep it expanded BAC? How long will it be that way?

It can be hot and it can be fast moving but it will collapse, you didn't answer the question, why not?

Your gnome has no clothes, how does it stay expanded?
 
BeAChooser said:
Gee David, seems to me I've been told recently that even a miniscule amount of particles, if they were all the same charge, would blow the sun up. :)
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did it have 40,000 solar masses BAC?

Gosh you sure act ignorabt, why would you do that. You are referencing the electric sun model as debunked bt Ziggy, the sun is not 40,000 solar masses now is it.

You may make money panedring for the the powers that be, but political tactics just show you can't answer a direct question.

It sort of shows.
Is it? Afterall, mainstream astrophysicists are talking all the time about open field lines. So there must be monopoles all over the universe. :)
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More arm waving, you ignored the point i wa smaking, because it sort of deflated your Miracle Gnome one Mr, plasmoid at the Center of the Galaxy.

What will keep the plasmoid expanded BAC. Not astar but a plasmoid of 40,000 solar masses in an area between 43 AU or 1 AU in radius.

Are you going to answer or just flap your arms some more.
Gee David, I thought you'd figure out that the particles in the plasmoid are really hot and moving very fast. :)
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Gee, you sure act ignorant. How is that going to keep them from being gravitationaly collapsing, you are acting more ignorant by the moment. Just because they are hot does not mean they won't coolapse, don't compare it to a tar, answer the question.


Funny, you still haven't provided an answer, your gnome is showing.

;)
 
BeAChooser said:
Yeah, like the amount of dark matter and dark energy ... whatever they be. :D
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or your three magic Gnomes.

Papa Gnome Arp's Association between Arp galaxies and QSOs.

Mama Gnome Peratt's Magnetic Field Large Enough to Twirl the Galaxy. (Which is probably just your mistaken interpretation and not his fault)

and

Baby Gnome the Plasmoid that Defies Gravity.

I hope you like being Goldilocks and the Three Gnomes BAC.

;)
 
BeAChooser said:
You know of any reason why they couldn't scale to larger systems? By the way: this ties into Zeuzzz's discussion of scalability. :D
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So what supplies the force to keep your Miracle Gnome at the Center of the Galaxy from Collapsing BAC.

Let us read your wisdom.

What provides for the expanded and not collapsed state of the plasmoid? please elucidat how it stays expanded or violates gravitation.

It's only 40,000 solar masses.
 
BeAChooser said:
Actually, you can't, since your bath water isn't a plasma under the influence of electromagnetic effects.

But you do demonstrate the selective blindness of mainstream supporters ... treating the galaxy once again as if it were a neutral fluid.

Your motto is ANYTHING but electricity. And the latest gnome is dark energy stars. Ever hear of them, RC? :D
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You have got your own Gnomes begging for attention, please answer the questions.

1. Is Arp's sample of galaxies and QSOs a census or does it have the potential have sampling error?

2. What size would the magnetic field have to be for Perrat's model to cause the galaxy to have a flat rotation curve/ has it been measured yet?

3. What force is going to keep a 40,000 solar mass within a sphere of radius 43AU to 1 AU from undergoing gravitational collapse? (Hint don't mention stars , i haven't checked the fusion rate for a 40,000 solar mass star but it might be very very short lived.)
 
BeAChooser said:
You pick a report that is talking about one specific quasar and conclude the filaments that are found ubiquitously beyond earth aren't generally plasma? Then I guess when NASA says that 99+ percent of the visible matter in the universe is plasma they are wrong? :rolleyes:

You also ignored the statement that "Contrary to theoretical expectations, this gas is not the shock-heated warm-hot intergalactic medium (WHIM)". It's NOT WHIM and the theoretical expectations that the result is contrary to happens to be the basis of the computer model you mentioned earlier. That model requires the presence of warm-hot dark matter to form those long filaments. Now why would dark matter be warm but all the other material out there be cool? Hmmmmm?

By the way ... do you think the gas inside this lamp is over 100,000 K :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Plasma-lamp_2.jpg



No, the big point is that MM won't give Zeuzzz even a few hours to write a response but he's had days to respond to my post proving he was wrong ... and didn't. :D
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I am not ignoring the fact that the gas that the paper is looking at does not look like the theoretical properties of WHIM. I am stating what they found. Can you state the model that the paper used?
 
BeAChooser said:
Well in this case, the scientist was talking about that billion sun mass, not the event horizon.

So why didn't the scientist just say the billion sun mass collapses to a point with ... well .... zero size?
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Because it is not zero, theoretically it is at the Plank limit or scale.
 
BeAChooser said:
We all noticed you had NO response whatsoever to my post on filaments earlier in this thread ... when you denied they are made of plasma.

Were you just hand waving, MM?
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You still haven't answered the Three Gnomes of BAC and provided more than vague non-responses.

You haven't asnwered the questions, why?
 
BeAChooser said:
You are hand waving, MM. Earlier in this thread you posted that "It'd be nice if the woos could show any evidence that the filaments of which they speak are by their nature made of plasma." So I did, in a rather long post. And you totally ignored my response. So were you just handwaving about your detailed knowledge of filaments, MM? :D
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How about real answers to real questions:

1. Did Arp make a representative census of QSOs and galaxies or is there a sampling error? (No ,'he did the best he could' is not allowed.)

2. What size would the magnetic field have to be for perrat's model to move the galaxy in a flat rotational curve?

3. What will keep a plasmoid of 40,000 solar masses in an area of 43 AU radius from undergoing collapse to a black hole?
 
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