Dark matter and Dark energy

Dark Matter, Gravity and all that stuff.

Dark Matter is sometimes called Heavy Dark Matter or HDM and I think that it is nearly obvious to unwrap or to uncover, as it were, its nature. First, we only know of three kinds of matter that have any long term stability... Neutrons, protons and electrons... Neutrons have a mean lifetime of about 875 seconds if they are free...and then they decay into a proton, an electron and an anti-neutrino... and no one is completely sure what an anti-neutrino really is. Perhaps it is simply the center of momentum of the electron and proton?? Protons are more or less eternal as far as we know since we've never seen a free proton spontaneously decay... and plenty of people have been looking. Electrons seem to be pretty stable, too...even though an electron can combine with an anti-electron (positron) then depart the scene as a gamma ray photon.. that process we call pair annihilation and the reverse of it is pair creation. There's sort of an implication that any photon can be blue shifted to the status of a gamma ray photon so that we might consider that every photon is really an electron and its charge and mass conjugate in superposition...where the term 'superposition', in this case, means combined in a way that they are essentially entwined and sitting right in the same physical space with each other. I'm not sure anyone else thinks about photons in this manner but the interpretation of the data is really what physics is all about when we get down to brass tacks; and presently that is how I choose to interpret photons. Photons apparently seem to be very stable in their own regime, cooking along, apparently at the velocity of light oscillating, it would seem, as Maxwell's equations suggest, between the two vector field modes of Del X H and Del X E... At least that is the hand and arm waving that one can pick up out of almost any text on electromagnetics when we see Maxwell's equations written in terms of E and H only. Photons disappear when they are absorbed by an electron, imparting to the electron the amount of energy that we have associated with the existence of the photon... (Except in the case of Compton scattering and then some of the energy is absorbed by the nucleus giving it a boost in its own coordinate frame. So, we have what?...would that be four (4) basic particles...or types of long lasting quantum particles? and these are Protons, electrons, neutrons and then photons... So, we don't have to look much further then, than to suggest that if we have some neutrons and protons and that there is some condition that prevents electrons from being in close association with those protons and neutrons then we have a substance that has only nuclear volume. Considering say 6 neutrons and 6 protons collected into a nucleus we have the core of a carbon 12 atom. What volume does it have? Not much really. If there are no electrons then it only has what we can say to be is 'nuclear' volume. Suppose we stuck 10 billion or so of these nuclei together...what would we have...bear in mind we're going to call into play some sort of a force or condition that absolutely excludes electrons from being around these. We find this stuff at a place that we consider to be very much in a regime of high gravity. Now I'm going to make one little suggestion...and you don't have to buy it permanently like a piece of Florida Real Estate...but I'm going to offer it and simply ask that you temporarily buy into it... lease it for a short while. okay? If a photon comes near a nucleus then an electron is said to have been boosted to a higher energy level and actually can get so much energy as to fly completely away from the atom. Let's just say that this 'charge and its conjugate (the photon) produces a state where the positive nucleus and the negative electron really appear to strongly repel one another. Buy that for a moment. The data is the same... I'm only asking that you put a slightly different interpretation on the data. I'm going to say that the ultimate purloined letter has been hanging around all this time and we've been terribly slow to catch on. Here's the pitch: A photon, being a charge and its conjugate in superposition is really a gravitational charge packet. Think of what you've been taught about an event horizon. A black hole is a theoretical object and the idea is that we can consider equipotential surfaces arranged concentrically around a black hole like onion skin layers. From the viewpoint of any outside observer we can consider that all the clocks run at the same rate for any given equipotential surface. As we go to layers deeper down, that is, with greater and greater curvature we see that the clocks on such 'lower' surfaces run slower than clocks on higher surfaces.... eventually we see that from the viewpoint of any outside observer that the clocks appear to come to a complete stop (at what we have called the event horizon). It would be safe to say that from the viewpoint of a remote outside observer that relatibve motion stops. So, if a photon is a gravitational charge packet then we can say that the photon causes the relative motion between the nucleus and an electron to approach zero. The suggestion, then, is that when the relative motion between an electron and a proton approaches zero that they will interact in a manner that appears to be just the opposite of what Coulomb's Law predicts. Is this too big of a leap for you? It shouldn't be because Maxwell's Equations absolutely and positively suggest this. Because if it is then that is too bad because I'm simply handing you (anyone who reads this) the key to the unification of electromagnetism and gravity and simultaneously handing you the solution as to the nature of HDM. There are a couple of more pieces... and that is if a charge and its conjugate is the correct analysis of a photon then any structure that can be described using Maxwell's Equations... and I'm saying any large scale closed flux loop structure... that can be described as a Del X E or Del X H vector field really can be decomposed into n charges and n charge conjugates and without doubt must be a large scale gravitational source. Oh heck...did you know that this describes our own sun? That in the Del X E vector field mode its secondary vectors are H and therefore a flux torus should display the characteristic signature of a magnetic dipole... oh...shades of the sun during solar minumum!!! Then at solar max large scale polar coronal holes appear and those are indicative of large scale electric field gradients...in the polar regions....well wouldn't that mean that the sun's field is now in the Del X H vector field mode where its secondary vectors are E so that the sun ought to display the features of a large scale electric dipole...? Oh heck...this is really what goes on as the sun oscillates between those two modes. So we could describe the underlying phenomenal aspects of the sun as that which belongs to a large scale standing wave boson that oscillates between the two modes. We can see that the sun's primary flux loop produces a gravitational field that is really terminated at the toroidal axis of the loop... really the focus point of the Poynting vectors that are normal to any toroidal flux loop. Along that gravitational terminus we should see the accumulation of matter that is void of electrons... and so it accumulates in a compact loop in the cores of stars.. this stuff we call heavy dark matter... it is dark because there are no electrons...they are excluded from the gravitational terminus.. it is heavy for the same reason. It only has nuclear density... not the airier atomic density. So, by simply unifying electromagnetism and gravity we find a new property of a gravitational field which turns out to be a strong charge separation effect, we identify the nature of HDM by knowing about the strong charge separation effect and we can even then even learn where all heavy elements come from (when the HDM differentiates into a variety of atomic species when the gravity boson is temporarily displaced from the matter at its terminus.) I'm taking a little perverse enjoyment in this because I know that only the very brightest readers will actually get this... and see that we can answer a host of problems in astrophysics and cosmology by simply discovering that elementary charged particles must behave opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law when they are overlapping in momentum space...and we must become aware of the fact that a gravitational field is really a time rate gradient structure... and honestly... it is really trivial to prove using just Maxwell's Equations and known data that elementary charged particles that are overlapping in momentum space must behave in a manner that is opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law. I can hardly believe that no one has worked all this stuff out before...it is so completely obvious...

Cheers... Davis Hamilton...
 
DHamilton, paragraphs are your friends (not that what you wrote would make any more sense).
 
Dark Matter is sometimes called Heavy Dark Matter or HDM and I think that it is nearly obvious to unwrap or to uncover, as it were, its nature.
No, if you say HDM to a cosmologist they think you mean hot dark matter. Which is not heavy, it's light. 'Heavy' would be cold dark matter - CDM.

It's very difficult to parse much more of your text without paragraph breaks, but it's a bit confused in more than a few places, I think.
 
Let me format that for you

The following is all from Davis Hamilton
but since I edited the formatting and added some emphasis and deleted a few ...
I can't call it a quote.

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Dark Matter is sometimes called Heavy Dark Matter or HDM and I think that it is nearly obvious to unwrap or to uncover, as it were, its nature.

First, we only know of three kinds of matter that have any long term stability... Neutrons, protons and electrons... Neutrons have a mean lifetime of about 875 seconds if they are free...and then they decay into a proton, an electron and an anti-neutrino... and no one is completely sure what an anti-neutrino really is. Perhaps it is simply the center of momentum of the electron and proton?? Protons are more or less eternal as far as we know since we've never seen a free proton spontaneously decay... and plenty of people have been looking.

Electrons seem to be pretty stable, too...even though an electron can combine with an anti-electron (positron) then depart the scene as a gamma ray photon.. that process we call pair annihilation and the reverse of it is pair creation. There's sort of an implication that any photon can be blue shifted to the status of a gamma ray photon so that we might consider that every photon is really an electron and its charge and mass conjugate in superposition...where the term 'superposition', in this case, means combined in a way that they are essentially entwined and sitting right in the same physical space with each other.

I'm not sure anyone else thinks about photons in this manner but the interpretation of the data is really what physics is all about when we get down to brass tacks; and presently that is how I choose to interpret photons. Photons apparently seem to be very stable in their own regime, cooking along, apparently at the velocity of light oscillating, it would seem, as Maxwell's equations suggest, between the two vector field modes of Del X H and Del X E... At least that is the hand and arm waving that one can pick up out of almost any text on electromagnetics when we see Maxwell's equations written in terms of E and H only.

Photons disappear when they are absorbed by an electron, imparting to the electron the amount of energy that we have associated with the existence of the photon...

(Except in the case of Compton scattering and then some of the energy is absorbed by the nucleus giving it a boost in its own coordinate frame).

So, we have what?
...would that be four (4) basic particles
...or types of long lasting quantum particles?

and these are Protons, electrons, neutrons and then photons...

So, we don't have to look much further then, than to suggest that if we have some neutrons and protons and that there is some condition that prevents electrons from being in close association with those protons and neutrons then we have a substance that has only nuclear volume.

Considering say 6 neutrons and 6 protons collected into a nucleus we have the core of a carbon 12 atom. What volume does it have? Not much really. If there are no electrons then it only has what we can say to be is 'nuclear' volume.

Suppose we stuck 10 billion or so of these nuclei together...what would we have...bear in mind we're going to call into play some sort of a force or condition that absolutely excludes electrons from being around these. We find this stuff at a place that we consider to be very much in a regime of high gravity.

Now I'm going to make one little suggestion...and you don't have to buy it permanently like a piece of Florida Real Estate...but I'm going to offer it and simply ask that you temporarily buy into it... lease it for a short while.

okay?

If a photon comes near a nucleus then an electron is said to have been boosted to a higher energy level and actually can get so much energy as to fly completely away from the atom. Let's just say that this 'charge and its conjugate (the photon) produces a state where the positive nucleus and the negative electron really appear to strongly repel one another.

Buy that for a moment.

The data is the same... I'm only asking that you put a slightly different interpretation on the data.

I'm going to say that the ultimate purloined letter has been hanging around all this time and we've been terribly slow to catch on.

Here's the pitch: A photon, being a charge and its conjugate in superposition is really a gravitational charge packet. Think of what you've been taught about an event horizon.

A black hole is a theoretical object and the idea is that we can consider equipotential surfaces arranged concentrically around a black hole like onion skin layers. From the viewpoint of any outside observer we can consider that all the clocks run at the same rate for any given equipotential surface. As we go to layers deeper down, that is, with greater and greater curvature we see that the clocks on such 'lower' surfaces run slower than clocks on higher surfaces.... eventually we see that from the viewpoint of any outside observer that the clocks appear to come to a complete stop (at what we have called the event horizon). It would be safe to say that from the viewpoint of a remote outside observer that relatibve motion stops.

So, if a photon is a gravitational charge packet then we can say that the photon causes the relative motion between the nucleus and an electron to approach zero. The suggestion, then, is that when the relative motion between an electron and a proton approaches zero that they will interact in a manner that appears to be just the opposite of what Coulomb's Law predicts.

Is this too big of a leap for you?

It shouldn't be because Maxwell's Equations absolutely and positively suggest this. Because if it is then that is too bad because I'm simply handing you (anyone who reads this) the key to the unification of electromagnetism and gravity and simultaneously handing you the solution as to the nature of HDM.

There are a couple of more pieces... and that is if a charge and its conjugate is the correct analysis of a photon then any structure that can be described using Maxwell's Equations... and I'm saying any large scale closed flux loop structure... that can be described as a Del X E or Del X H vector field really can be decomposed into n charges and n charge conjugates and without doubt must be a large scale gravitational source.

Oh heck...did you know that this describes our own sun?

That in the Del X E vector field mode its secondary vectors are H and therefore a flux torus should display the characteristic signature of a magnetic dipole... oh...shades of the sun during solar minumum!!!

Then at solar max large scale polar coronal holes appear and those are indicative of large scale electric field gradients...in the polar regions....well wouldn't that mean that the sun's field is now in the Del X H vector field mode where its secondary vectors are E so that the sun ought to display the features of a large scale electric dipole...?

Oh heck...this is really what goes on as the sun oscillates between those two modes.

So we could describe the underlying phenomenal aspects of the sun as that which belongs to a large scale standing wave boson that oscillates between the two modes. We can see that the sun's primary flux loop produces a gravitational field that is really terminated at the toroidal axis of the loop... really the focus point of the Poynting vectors that are normal to any toroidal flux loop.

Along that gravitational terminus we should see the accumulation of matter that is void of electrons... and so it accumulates in a compact loop in the cores of stars.. this stuff we call heavy dark matter... it is dark because there are no electrons...they are excluded from the gravitational terminus.. it is heavy for the same reason. It only has nuclear density... not the airier atomic density.

So, by simply unifying electromagnetism and gravity we find a new property of a gravitational field which turns out to be a strong charge separation effect, we identify the nature of HDM by knowing about the strong charge separation effect and we can even then even learn where all heavy elements come from (when the HDM differentiates into a variety of atomic species when the gravity boson is temporarily displaced from the matter at its terminus.)

I'm taking a little perverse enjoyment in this because I know that only the very brightest readers will actually get this... and see that we can answer a host of problems in astrophysics and cosmology by simply discovering that elementary charged particles must behave opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law when they are overlapping in momentum space...and we must become aware of the fact that a gravitational field is really a time rate gradient structure... and honestly... it is really trivial to prove using just Maxwell's Equations and known data that elementary charged particles that are overlapping in momentum space must behave in a manner that is opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law.

I can hardly believe that no one has worked all this stuff out before...it is so completely obvious...

Cheers
Davis Hamilton
 
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I read it, don't understand it, but I read it

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I'm taking a little perverse enjoyment in this because I know that only the very brightest readers will actually get this. We can answer a host of problems in astrophysics and cosmology by simply discovering that elementary charged particles must behave opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law. When they are overlapping in momentum space.

We must become aware of the fact that a gravitational field is really a time rate gradient structure.

Using just Maxwell's Equations and known data, it can be proved that elementary charged particles that are overlapping in momentum space must behave in a manner that is opposite to the expectations of Coulomb's Law.

Either a brilliant troll, or a slightly unhinged mind, or a prankster.

Either way, a fun read.
 
I'm not reading that unformatted block of text.

Who can blame you? Formatting it didn't really help that much. The stuff about particles was interesting, at least to my humble self.

Has anyone postulated that our hypothetical dark matter could be stuff we know about already, just in some kind of altered state?

What about dark energy? Does anyone really buy that one?
 
No need to get very far into that block of text:

Neutrons have a mean lifetime of about 875 seconds if they are free...and then they decay into a proton, an electron and an anti-neutrino... and no one is completely sure what an anti-neutrino really is.

That's just... wrong. We know exactly as much about anti-neutrinos as we do about neutrinos (which is quite a lot). Looks like you don't understand basic particle physics, which makes it rather hard to say anything about dark matter candidates.

(I suppose you might have been thinking of right-handed neutrinos, but if so your assertion is wrong for a different reason - beta decay doesn't produce them.)

Is this forum always so full of physics crackpots?
 
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I think of late there has been an influx of dark postings, leading to dark energy driving crackpots closer to the forum. We can observe no other postings that could explain it.
 
(I suppose you might have been thinking of right-handed neutrinos, but if so your assertion is wrong for a different reason - beta decay doesn't produce them.)

Outside the nucleus, free neutrons are unstable and have a mean lifetime of 885.7±0.8 seconds (about 15 minutes), decaying by emission of a negative electron and antineutrino to become a proton...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrons#Neutron_stability_and_beta_decay

Is the Wiki wrong then?
 
We know exactly as much about anti-neutrinos as we do about neutrinos (which is quite a lot). Looks like you don't understand basic particle physics, which makes it rather hard to say anything about dark matter candidates.

(I suppose you might have been thinking of right-handed neutrinos, but if so your assertion is wrong for a different reason - beta decay doesn't produce them.)

According to the Wiki, we don't know much about anti-neutrinos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineutrino
 
The whole neutrino things is quite fascinating.

We have a massless particle traveling at almost the speed of light, that doesn't interact with matter, except perhaps by the two weakest forces known, and there are a huge amount of them, everywhere, all the time.

Which of course, sounds like dark matter. But they are not considered dark matter because there are not enough of them, and they are really hard to detect, and they change state somehow, turning into other flavors, and it is just about strange.

Every second, about 70 billion (7×1010) solar neutrinos pass through every square centimeter on Earth that faces the sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Solar_neutrinos
 
According to the Wiki, we don't know much about anti-neutrinos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineutrino

I see you've noticed the difference between "right" and "anti" - that's a start. Now, where does it say that we don't know much about them? Looks to me like it gives quite a bit of information, although most of it is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino

Just about the only thing we don't know about neutrinos (and therefore also anti-neutrinos) is whether they have a Dirac or Majorana mass, which (while quite interesting for particle physicists) has almost no effect on their properties at low energies (which is why we don't know yet).
 
According to the Wiki, we don't know much about anti-neutrinos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineutrino

We know just as much about antineutrinos and about neutrinos.

The article you linked makes reference to the problem of neutrino masses, which is perhaps the most interesting open question in the Standard Model. We are pretty sure that neutrinos have mass, but we have several models that could account for that mass and we still don't have enough experimental data to decide among them. These models would imply new processes, like the neutrinoless double beta decay they mention.

Of course, not knowing which of the models for massive neutrinos is right (more technically, whether they are Dirac or Majorana spinors) may sound as if we knew very little about neutrinos. Actually, we know a lot about them, because their mass is in any case very small and the approximation that they are massless would work very well in either model.
 
But I wonder ... would the mainstream ever be willing to give up one of its gnomes after they spent so much time believing in it's existance?

This just drives home the point of how little you understand about, well, anything. Aside from the nonsense about how much time they've believed in it, as though that matters in any way (and which is maybe a couple of decades at most, not exactly a long time), the fact is that most physicists really don't like dark energy. There are a lot of things about it that just aren't nice. It's an extra term in some otherwise nice equations, it's the wrong strength according to predicitions, it doesn't seem to have any obvious cause, it's tuned to a suspiciously convenient size and so on. The thing is, all that is irrelevant. The evidence says it's there, and that's all there is to it. It would be absolutely great if we could find some way of getting rid of it, especially if that were something as simple as recalibrating standard candles as a measure of distance. If that happens, pretty much all physicists will immediately throw out all thoughts of dark energy and will be much happier for it. Until that does, it's just plain stupid to deny the evidence that says it's real. That's how science works.
 
We don't know if an anti-neutrino is the same as a neutrino. That sounds like a huge thing. They say they are testing to find out. Which means we don't know. Yet.

There are two options: either the differences between neutrinos and anti-neutrinos are incredibly tiny (Dirac mass), or zero (Majorana mass).

You should realize that the differences between particles and anti-particles are very small or non-existent when they are neutral. Actually the terminology doesn't work very well - for example if you wanted to you'd be perfectly justified in called right-handed photons photons, and left-handed photons anti-photons. It's just another case of a small mismatch between language and math.
 
It is also a case of people who don't know wtf you are talking about going,

"Wtf are you talking about?". :D
 
Scientists Discover That Neutrinos Have Mass

ScienceDaily (Jun. 5, 1998) — BOSTON, Mass.--A research team of scientists from the United States and Japan organized by physicists at Boston University, the University of California-Irvine, and the University of Tokyo, has found the first evidence that neutrinos--tiny electrically neutral sub-atomic particles--have mass.
The direct evidence for solar neutrino transformation also indicates that neutrinos have mass. By combining this with information from previous measurements, it is possible to set an upper limit on the sum of the known neutrino masses. "Even though there is an enormous number of neutrinos in the Universe, the mass limits show that neutrinos make up only a small fraction of the total mass and energy content of the Universe." says Dr. Hamish Robertson, U.S. Co-Spokesman and Professor of Physics at the University of Washington in Seattle.
http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/sno/first_results/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Properties

Neutrinos have mass? Each type has a different mass? So claiming one kind changes into another, isn't that amazing? Where does the mass come from? Where does it go?

Fascinating stuff.
 

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