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Reincarnation as a trivial scientific fact

quarky said:
greetings, calebprime.
I was thinking about you because of some weird music idea i was having.
Will you please start a new music thread?
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I seem to have forgotten how to PM, so here I say:

Just post in the aptly named "The Fun and Inclusive Music Theory Thread", or,

start your own thread!

Unlike the number of souls, there's no limit to the number of threads!

just stay out of the Another Boring thread--that's where I have dark night of the soul conversations with me, myself, calebprime, us, and Blobru.
 
I glanced over the OT; saw a lot of "-ists" and "-isms" and "-istics" with precious little evidence to accompany them and have from that point been perusing the thread for comedic value only.

However ...
Foolmewunz said:
Mein Gott!

Where do they come from? Has every third poster here got some batguano crazy idea of an alternate universe, supported only by ridiculous hypotheses fabricated out of thin air?
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Actually, now that you mention it ... the Roman Empire was never overrun by barbarians after all! They all escaped into an alternate universe via a magical portal opened by the High Imperial Wizard Tomatojus, drawing on the mystical energies stolen from all over the Empire by their network of so-called "roads"! You think it's a coincidence these alleged "roads" are all so straight? Everybody knows straight lines conduct mystical energies better. Coincidence? I think not!

But they hide the truth, because the NRO (New Roman Order) left agents behind to suppress the evidence ... :eye-poppi

quarky said:
(I miss the hundred foot tall bearded white god, with all his threats)
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I miss Zeus. There was a deity that knew how to have fun.


*cough* Back on topic ... I too would like to know about the fates of those of mixed ancestry. I know that I'm part Irish and part Scottish at least. What sort of soul do I get?
 
bruto said:
Every once in a while someone is born at sea, and one suspects more than that are conceived at sea. Are these people without souls?
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Are those with parents in the 'Mile High Club' air souls?:boggled:
 
Cuddles said:
Define "species". Are the Japanese now a separate species?
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The definition of 'species' is irrelevant.

Let us deal with something more concrete: the number of great-grandparents of the total population of a country. Every person has exactly eight great-grandparents. In Japan we have now a population of 127.8 million. To them correspond 8 * 127.8 = 1022 million great-grandparents. Probably 98% or 99% of these 1022 million great-grandparents were also born in Japan. Therefore Japan can be considered a rather homogeneous sub-population of the human species.

Now let us do the same with the United States: To around 300 million people correspond 2.4 billion great-grandparents. I do not know, but I suppose that more than 50% of these great-grandparents were born outside the US, and maybe more than 25% in Europe. Thus, the US have a much less homogeneous population than Japan (in the sense of evolutionary relatedness).

And if apart from the reality of human souls, we also consider continuity as a basic principle of nature, then logical (statistical) reasoning is enough to conclude that under normal circumstances it is rather improbable that a 'typical Japanese soul' is born outside Japan or that a soul never having lived in Japan is born in Japan.

A quote from Psychons and their Evolution:

For a person to be born, what is required is a human soul which has evolved by reincarnation. Human souls are reborn with increased probability in a similar environment. This ENVIRONMENT CONTINUITY can easily be verified empirically (e.g. by examining persons with pronounced rare characteristics). A manifestation of this principle is that persons are often in contact with persons they have also been in contact with in former lives. Environment continuity is also valid for animal souls. It is essential when a species splits into subspecies. It stands to reason that environment continuity is valid not only for human and animal souls but for all psychons.​

An example of speciation in the case of mammoth can be found in this post.


quarky said:
less apes=more humans.
If souls evolved, this would make (slightly) more sense.
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The species of primates which has led to humans is directly or indirectly responsible for the extinction of all other species having evolved further than chimpanzees. (The Psychon Theory)


Hokulele said:
If Japanese are a separate species, how can I exist?
(For the record, I am half Japanese, half Scottish-American.)
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If you deal with history, (ancient) literature, music, art, customs or similar of both cultures, you should analyze your reactions and associations. Or maybe you can revive memories from your childhood which help you to find out whether you were in the past a Japanese or a Western soul. I'd be interested in what you think about this approach.

Cheers, Wolfgang
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Can't point to a reference right now but when you get to OT VII you learn that you are not just surrounded by Thetans, you are actually composed of them.

PS. I am prepared to find the reference if you insist but it will cost you $10,000 which I assure is much less than what the "church" will collect from you to acquire this insightful "knowledge". :D
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No thanks - I'll just google it ;)
 
wogoga said:
If you deal with history, (ancient) literature, music, art, customs or similar of both cultures, you should analyze your reactions and associations. Or maybe you can revive memories from your childhood which help you to find out whether you were in the past a Japanese or a Western soul. I'd be interested in what you think about this approach.

Cheers, Wolfgang
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So ... um. We get a soul chosen from one of the several ... I dunno, "soul pools" that make up our ancestry? How is it determined which ancestral "pool" (or whatever term you'd like to apply) my soul is chosen from?

If I want a soul from a different ancestry, can I apply for an exchange?

Also: How were Chinese, Indian, French, etc. souls determined before there was a China, India, or France - or anyone living in those areas?
 
wogoga said:
.... to find out whether you were in the past a Japanese or a Western soul. I'd be interested in what you think about this approach.

Cheers, Wolfgang
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In the past? Why is that relevant? Hokulele lives in the present. Her soul, presuming for a moment she was issued one at all, arrived where and when she did. Are you now telling us that souls do change nationality or ethnicity? That it's even possible for a Japanese soul to end up in Hawaii? If they do, you'd better man the pumps. Your theory is developing a nasty list.
 
wogoga said:
The definition of 'species' is irrelevant.

Let us deal with something more concrete:
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Wolfgang, it is becoming increasingly apparent - thanks to your imprecise (ab)use of language - that you wouldn't recognise 'concrete' if you were buried up to your nostrils in it

wogoga said:
Every person has exactly eight great-grandparents
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Uhuh... so there's NO intrafamilial reproduction in Japan?

wogoga said:
Therefore...
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Waddaya mean 'therefore'?

Maybe Japan can be considered a "rather homogeneous sub-population of the human species", but such a claim isn't substantiated by your preceding waffle

wogoga said:
Now let us do the same with the United States
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No, let's not

As to do so would be a complete and utter waste of bandwidth

Please stop drawing conclusions from wildly inaccurate and (quite possibly) wrong assumptions

Instead, go back and address the many unanswered questions that your posts have raised

Otherwise, I will simply assume you are nothing other than a deluded troll
 
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As the human population expands past the limit of 7.5 billions souls (give or take a couple hundred million, it's trivial) we will see an explosion in the population of gingers, completely refuting all research and theory into heredity of such traits as hair colour and skin colour, and completely proving beyond a shred of a doubt the existence and impact of psychons. Be afraid for your children, if they have souls.

You know, I thought I heard an ambulance coming, but it was just my woo-alarm going off. These guys seem to be very good at convincing themselves of bizarre ideas to fit limited data, and relying upon their declared intelligence to back it up. Wolgang's style of argument reminds me of terence witt.

And for the record, i see a lot of people telling wolfgang to lay off the bong, pipe, weed in general. that crackpipe picture was more accurate.

As a long standing member of the Stoner creed, I reject any implication that he is one of us, or that weed had anything to do with his ideas. Attributing these kind of ideas to weed is giving that little plant far more credit than it deserves. This theory seems more like the result of lsd mixed with drano shots.....
 
eh? said:
And for the record, i see a lot of people telling wolfgang to lay off the bong, pipe, weed in general. that crackpipe picture was more accurate.
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I'm glad someone noticed! :D


As a long standing member of the Stoner creed, I reject any implication that he is one of us, or that weed had anything to do with his ideas. Attributing these kind of ideas to weed is giving that little plant far more credit than it deserves. This theory seems more like the result of lsd mixed with drano shots.....
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Wow, Wolfgang just got dissed by the Stoners. Best smackdown on this thread yet!
 
wogoga said:
If you deal with history, (ancient) literature, music, art, customs or similar of both cultures, you should analyze your reactions and associations.
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I am not sure what you mean by "deal with" those topics. I do not work in any of those in a professional sense, but I am interested in most of the above. It probably doesn't help that I am most interested in Polynesian culture and history at the moment, mostly due to where I live. I do not have any Polynesian ancestry.

Or maybe you can revive memories from your childhood which help you to find out whether you were in the past a Japanese or a Western soul.
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I can't think of anything from my childhood that would support the notion of a soul at all. I have never been one to feel like I had a past life, I do not remember anything from before age 3, and although I was prone to making things up (mostly stories to entertain my younger brother), I had no problems distinguishing fantasy from reality.

I'd be interested in what you think about this approach.
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To be honest, I don't think very highly of it at all, as you are assuming there is such a thing as a soul that can survive independent from a person. I disagree, as there has been no evidence to support such a concept that I have seen, and most of your presentations have been cherry-picking and hand-waving. Sorry.

Cheers, Wolfgang
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Likewise!
 
wogoga said:
Every person has exactly eight great-grandparents. In Japan we have now a population of 127.8 million. To them correspond 8 * 127.8 = 1022 million great-grandparents.

...Now let us do the same with the United States: To around 300 million people correspond 2.4 billion great-grandparents.
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Please re-think those calculations.
 
wogoga said:
Let us deal with something more concrete: the number of great-grandparents of the total population of a country ...<snip>... To around 300 million people correspond 2.4 billion great-grandparents
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Umm, duuuude! In case you did not quite get Gravy's point above: it may come as a shock to you, but my sister and I had the SAME SET OF GREAT GRANDPARENTS! Imagine that!
 
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