18 Minute Error In Pentagon Collapse Time.

[dbalsdon]

Why are you bumping old threads when there's still current threads waiting for a response from you?

 

[pomeroo]

Why are bumping old threads when theres still current threads waiting for a response from you?

He wants to see how many times he can be exposed as a charlatan.

 

[DGM]

Terral:
Why do you post what you do without reading from the thread you resurrect. Do you like being shown to be wrong or do you think everyone is as lazy as you and won't read what was said?

 

[Terral]

To Write On Russell's OP Topic Or Not To Debate This Topic . . . The Question . . .

Hi Dbalsdon, Pomeroo and DGM:

Why are you bumping old threads when there's still current threads waiting for a response from you?

Why are you sending me PM’s in the thread without links to said posts awaiting my response? When you guys have my posts deleted from the deliberation process in any debate, then you are on your own. The 9:31 AM First Explosion ‘and’ the 10:15 AM E-Ring Roof Collapse are key elements on any real Pentagon Timeline part of any real 911Truth investigation. Since any thread I start on this topic will be sent to the Abandon All Hope Trash Pile, then my choices of topics are limited to those started by others. Go ahead and have these threads trashed too . . .

He wants to see how many times he can be exposed as a charlatan.

Terral:
Why do you post what you do without reading from the thread you resurrect. Do you like being shown to be wrong or do you think everyone is as lazy as you and won't read what was said?

My reply is to Russell’s Opening Post that included his every word. Obviously I took the time to read ‘his’ OP offering and research ‘his’ evidence. Where is there any sign that you did that for my Rebuttal post? :0) Since when do I require permission from anyone here to write on the OP proposal of any other JREF member in this Conspiracies Forum? Here is another example of a revived Conspiracies Forum Thread started by the Architect stopped on January 5th here and restarted by me in Post #11 here on Page 1. However, right now the thread has 371 posts and about 5000 reads.

Did I do a service by bringing the Architect’s Thread to the top of the Board with my rebuttals, OR should I have started a brand new thread that would have been trashed? The idea at work here is that every JREF member is responsible to defend his or her OP thesis statements, claims, evidence and conclusions from the rebuttals and counterproposals of every other member, whether that is presented on Page 1 or Page 21 of this Forum. If you want to challenge anything from any of my OP presentations, then by all means try to find one that has not been trashed and give it your best shot. :0) I double-dare you . . .

In this case my name appears in the post of Russell’s final OP link at the bottom of the page, so obviously I have a vested interested in his claims and final conclusions. If nobody here is interested in writing for or against Russell’s topic, OR my rebuttal arguments, then simply let the thread go down the Board and return to the archives. The idea that you will decide for me which OP presentations to write against, using your one and two-sentence drivel, is really very funny indeed. I am thinking the current contributors to Architect’s Topic have little regard for whether the thread was started this morning or many years ago. However, for me to start another thread on the same topic is to fill this Board with SPAM, and we certainly do not want that! Right? :0)

GL,

Terral

 

[chillzero]

Stop arguing. Bumping an old thread is better than starting new ones, as long as the original topic is maintained.

However, don't carry on discussions from other forums - keep it all contained here.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[Tweeter]

Did any of you people watch the events live on TV? I remember them pulling the roof down.

 

[DGM]

Did any of you people watch the events live on TV? I remember them pulling the roof down.

I can't say I remember that, although knocking something down to stabilize the site would be understandable.

 

[Mangoose]

Neither happened.

Check out the Nat Geo "Inside 9/11" docu, a Pentagon guy talked about how he wanted to go look for survivors in the impact area but the fire fighters stopped him and minutes later the whole thing came crashing down.

Every pre-collapse photo shows the upper floors sagging down, even the Riskus photos. The plane took out many of the supporting columns, and the fire weakened the rest.

 

[Terral]

This Topic Sends Many DoD/FBI Field Operatives Heading For The Hills :0)

Hi Tweeter, DGM and Mangoose:

You guys are off the topic of the real Pentagon ‘Timeline’ where specific values have been entered by our own governmental authorities about the Jetliner crash ‘and’ the subsequent E-Ring roof collapse. Everyone should realize that Russell Pickering is an adamant “Official Story” guy like Gravy and Caustic Logic and Honway already mentioned from the old Loose Change Board. When you have different governmental sources telling you a myriad of DIFFERENT STORIES, then obviously someone is LYING (if not everyone). You guys are out in the bleachers somewhere, saying,

Did any of you people watch the events live on TV? I remember them pulling the roof down.

I can't say I remember that, although knocking something down to stabilize the site would be understandable.

Neither happened.

Check out the Nat Geo "Inside 9/11" docu, a Pentagon guy talked about how he wanted to go look for survivors in the impact area but the fire fighters stopped him and minutes later the whole thing came crashing down.

Every pre-collapse photo shows the upper floors sagging down, even the Riskus photos. The plane took out many of the supporting columns, and the fire weakened the rest.

Here we have the typical JREF ‘talk, talk, talk’ without any third-party references to support even a single word, even if these guys were writing on the ‘time’ of Russell’s OP Topic OR my rebuttal post. Russell Pickering (I know and have spoken with personally) was in the process of waking the heck up about ‘his errant’ 9:57 AM E-Ring Roof Collapse Time presented in the Arlington County After-Action Report (Page 200) that he has been using as “his” DoD Field Operative Manual/Bible since day one. We are looking at the beginning of THE END of Russell Pickering and his leadership role of supporting the “Official Story,” as he already has one foot out the door over these massive contradictions in the ‘Evidence’ VERSUS the Official DoD Cover Story. Imagine that you are an inside-job field operative and your handler gives you the task of coming out here to push the Official Story ‘and’ you have all of these gross contradictions in the evidence. You would eventually seek reassignment too . . .

I worked for some time trying to pin Russell down on many of these inconsistencies in ‘his’ Official Story, but he backpedaled to beat the band like Gravy, Painter (admin for PilotsForTruth = another DoD field operative) and many other DoD FO’s I have seen hit the dusty trail in the past year. This 9:31:39 AM First Explosion to the eventual 10:15:16 AM E-Ring Roof Collapse marks the Achilles’ Heel of the entire 9/11 Inside-Job, because the FBI/DoD Cover Story is connected directly to a 9:38 AM First Explosion ‘and’ the FAA Timeline says that happened at 9:32 AM!!! Just uttering the times of “9:31 AM” and “9:32 AM” (never mentioned in the ACAAR even once) for the “First” Pentagon Explosion (Barbara Honegger's Work = the video) sends practically every DoD/FBI FO into a state of complete shock, because again his ACAAR Bible places that event at 9:38 AM. That means their bogus AA77 was still outside of Pentagon airspace at the time of the real 9:32 AM First Explosion ‘and’ that means the State of Virginia has jurisdiction over that ‘initial’ attack having nothing to do with any Boeing Jetliner. When you suspect a DoD/FBI field operative bad guy is trying to razzle dazzle you with his bullony, then just start asking him about the contradictions in the 9:38 AM 'and' the FAA Timeline "9:32 AM" aircraft crashes. :0) Bookmark that link and put that in your Pentagon Case arsenal . . .

I will not list all of the ‘explosion’ events on this thread, but all of that evidence appears within my Pentagon Timeline here.

GL,

Terral

 

[AMTMAN]

Hi Tweeter, DGM and Mangoose:

You guys are off the topic of the real Pentagon ‘Timeline’ where specific values have been entered by our own governmental authorities about the Jetliner crash ‘and’ the subsequent E-Ring roof collapse. Everyone should realize that Russell Pickering is an adamant “Official Story” guy like Gravy and Caustic Logic and Honway already mentioned from the old Loose Change Board. When you have different governmental sources telling you a myriad of DIFFERENT STORIES, then obviously someone is LYING (if not everyone). You guys are out in the bleachers somewhere, saying,






Here we have the typical JREF ‘talk, talk, talk’ without any third-party references to support even a single word, even if these guys were writing on the ‘time’ of Russell’s OP Topic OR my rebuttal post. Russell Pickering (I know and have spoken with personally) was in the process of waking the heck up about ‘his errant’ 9:57 AM E-Ring Roof Collapse Time presented in the Arlington County After-Action Report (Page 200) that he has been using as “his” DoD Field Operative Manual/Bible since day one. We are looking at the beginning of THE END of Russell Pickering and his leadership role of supporting the “Official Story,” as he already has one foot out the door over these massive contradictions in the ‘Evidence’ VERSUS the Official DoD Cover Story. Imagine that you are an inside-job field operative and your handler gives you the task of coming out here to push the Official Story ‘and’ you have all of these gross contradictions in the evidence. You would eventually seek reassignment too . . .

I worked for some time trying to pin Russell down on many of these inconsistencies in ‘his’ Official Story, but he backpedaled to beat the band like Gravy, Painter (admin for PilotsForTruth = another DoD field operative) and many other DoD FO’s I have seen hit the dusty trail in the past year. This 9:31:39 AM First Explosion to the eventual 10:15:16 AM E-Ring Roof Collapse marks the Achilles’ Heel of the entire 9/11 Inside-Job, because the FBI/DoD Cover Story is connected directly to a 9:38 AM First Explosion ‘and’ the FAA Timeline says that happened at 9:32 AM!!! Just uttering the times of “9:31 AM” and “9:32 AM” (never mentioned in the ACAAR even once) for the “First” Pentagon Explosion (Barbara Honegger's Work = the video) sends practically every DoD/FBI FO into a state of complete shock, because again his ACAAR Bible places that event at 9:38 AM. That means their bogus AA77 was still outside of Pentagon airspace at the time of the real 9:32 AM First Explosion ‘and’ that means the State of Virginia has jurisdiction over that ‘initial’ attack having nothing to do with any Boeing Jetliner. When you suspect a DoD/FBI field operative bad guy is trying to razzle dazzle you with his bullony, then just start asking him about the contradictions in the 9:38 AM 'and' the FAA Timeline "9:32 AM" aircraft crashes. :0) Bookmark that link and put that in your Pentagon Case arsenal . . .

I will not list all of the ‘explosion’ events on this thread, but all of that evidence appears within my Pentagon Timeline here.

GL,

Terral

You mean that 757 with 60 tons of structural titanium. Oh that's right, no airliner has sixty tons of titanium in it. Need to do a better job of fact checking Terral.

 

[Bananaman]

Terral,

Edited by chillzero: 

Edited for civility

?

I'm beginning to wonder.

You're still banging on about the Pentagon?

Why not go and talk to the people who did the DNA testing? Must have been great fun for them.

Why not talk to the guys, dozens and dozens of them, actually hundreds, who picked the pieces of the jet out of the building? Must have been a huge laugh for them as well.

Why not take your pathetic '6 people said the jet came in from a different angle' crap and tell that to everyone in The Pentagon and everyone who saw a jet hit it and see if you come back here as chirpy and full of 'the jet magically jumped over its target and a big explosion took place' crap.

Go on.

That would be hilarious.

Bananaman.

 

[dbalsdon]

'6 people said the jet came in from a different angle'

6 would be an improvement on the real figure... 4. If I remember correctly, even some of them, still say they saw the plane hit the pentagon. It's just that, mentioning the last part, you know, kinda blows the truther claim to shreds, so they, conveniently, ignore it.