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Thunderbolts of the Gods

BeAChooser said:
Most proponents of mainstream astrophysics and cosmology are, David. :p
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Glad to set you up. it was a great line nonetheless and I wrote it knowing the consequence.

Yet you still have to do more than present that unrefererenced fluff from TOTG.

I like Arp , I think he is cool. I think his ideas are interesting but even more gnomish than the main stream.

And his use of statistics is appaling and uncontrolled.
 
robinson said:
Evidence?
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Evidence of which?

Gnomish ideas of Arp, creation of large amounts of mass in QSOs, somehow and thus creating the anamolous redshifts.

Lack of controls in statistics: there are a number of ways to establish controls for the alleged association between QSOs and Arp objects:
-to establish a baseline of random points on the sky and QSOs
-to establish a baseline of galaxies and QSOs
-establish baselines for various types of galaxies and QSOs.

Is that what you were asking?
 
Dancing David said:
And his use of statistics is appaling and uncontrolled.
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Well then, why don't you present a few peer reviewed papers to try and prove that? Why ask us to take *your* word for it, David?

And just in case you missed this fact ... Arp is not the only scientist saying there are too many unlikely arrangements between high and low redshift objects and between high redshift objects for it just to be "coincidence". :)
 
You made a claim about something, I asked for evidence. Get used to it, this is a skeptics forum.
 
Since you suggested continuing this conversation here, I'll do that.

iantresman said:
I really don't know, but it might give us a better understanding of what's going on.
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Wait. Back up. Are you saying you give any credence to this electric sun model? Because I can't quite tell. Your response suggests to me that you do, but I could be wrong.

Not finding a current of 3.846 X 1016 Amperes may be one thing, but if we know that the current density is much smaller, we will never find such a large current, because it's not there.
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The problem isn't whether or not we can detect such a large current. The problem is:
1) the charge required to produce their voltage on the sun cannot possibly be confined
2) that large a current would discharge the sun in less than a microsecond
Both of these facts preclude the long-term power output of the sun coming from the electric potential of the sun. It simply doesn't work. And there's no way to make it work either. There's no way to find a combination of charges, voltages, and currents which produce anything even remotely plausible. The numbers always come out many orders of magnitude off from the possible limits: the repulsive force on protons at the surface of the sun is orders of magnitude larger than the gravitational attraction, and the time scale for using up the energy that would exist from such a potential is orders of magnitude too quick. And there's no power source external to the sun which can be identified, and no reason to think that, even if it existed, that it would be pumping its energy into the sun.
 
Ziggurat said:
And there's no power source external to the sun which can be identified, and no reason to think that, even if it existed, that it would be pumping its energy into the sun.
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I can identify a whole bunch of power sources. But that isn't the problem, is it?
 
By golly I might be an electric univerdse fan!
Quite frankly, I was unaware such a theory existed. I like it because it would explain my pet theory. That the Earth spins because it is a motor and not because of angular momentum. Isn't the Earth came from a condensing gas cloud now obsolete? If so bye bye scads of angular momentum
Motor Rule: " If a conductor with a current flowing in it passes through a magnetic field, it tends to turn at a right angles to that field"
Well the center of the Earth is definitely a conductor with a current flowing in it. No one denies that. And I think the Electric Universe advocates may have provided the necessary magnetic field
 
Tumbleweed said:
By golly I might be an electric univerdse fan!
Quite frankly, I was unaware such a theory existed. I like it because it would explain my pet theory. That the Earth spins because it is a motor and not because of angular momentum. Isn't the Earth came from a condensing gas cloud now obsolete? If so bye bye scads of angular momentum
Motor Rule: " If a conductor with a current flowing in it passes through a magnetic field, it tends to turn at a right angles to that field"
Well the center of the Earth is definitely a conductor with a current flowing in it. No one denies that. And I think the Electric Universe advocates may have provided the necessary magnetic field
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So the Earth is an electric motor...what about the two little things known as the first and second law of thermodynamics. Are they just suggestions?
 
~enigma~ said:
So the Earth is an electric motor...what about the two little things known as the first and second law of thermodynamics. Are they just suggestions?
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Do you mean where is the motors load? The inner core motor would be turning a whole bunch of non motor mantle weight
 
~enigma~ said:
You think you could tackle the question instead of pulling your woo tactics?

PS. 9/11 was an inside job :D
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You are showing yourself to be both a fraud and a liar in just the above post.

Prove me wrong:

Can you explain what about his thoughts violates the two scientific laws which you state his idea does?


Muslim fanatics attacked America. Why when you are asked to explain yourself do you falsely accuse? Does it have to do with your inability to...?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
You are showing yourself to be both a fraud and a liar in just the above post.

Prove me wrong:

Can you explain what about his thoughts violates the two scientific laws which you state his idea does?


Muslim fanatics attacked America. Why when you are asked to explain yourself do you falsely accuse? Does it have to do with your inability to...?
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Prove you wrong? What claim did you make? If you are actually saying that the laws of thermodynamics have no effect on everything in the universe, you are simply wrong and I will not waste my time proving that wrong. It is obvious that you have no idea what your talking about concerning thermodynamics. Yes, I know you believe Muslims did it. You also believe they were used by the US. Did you think that Jref is the only place on the internet that you frequent (well frequented)?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
The claim that you have not the ability to explain how his thoughts are not in concert with those two laws of science.
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So you agree that the laws of thermodynamics affect everything in the universe...so what's the problem. Are you telling me this electric Earth is not in our universe?
 
~enigma~ said:
So you agree that the laws of thermodynamics affect everything in the universe...so what's the problem. Are you telling me this electric Earth is not in our universe?
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I do agree with your first statement.

I would like you to explain how those laws preclude Tumbleweed's idea.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
I do agree with your first statement.

I would like you to explain how those laws preclude Tumbleweed's idea.
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Ok you agree that the laws of thermodynamics affect everything in the universe...are you familiar with the first and second law of thermodynamics? Why do they affect everything EXCEPT this "electric motor Earth"?

ETA - are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
 
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