Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Parcher said:
But what is the deal with Argosy cover Roger sitting on Heironimus' horse, instead of that black-socked packhorse? More importantly... what is the deal with confessing Bob Heironimus saying that P&G actually borrowed Chico when they went to Bluff Creek to film Bob in the suit?

Remember the Green interview? Gimlin and Green converse about Roger riding 'a pony', so small it would fit in a van. I'm guessing he didn't want to be on a little tiny horse next to BobG up on his 1300 lb giant of a horse. He would have been 6-12" shorter than he is already on the Argosy cover.
 
From here.

In Grimlin's words: 'Here this thing stood by the creek, just stood. We were on one side of the creek, the creature on the other and our horses went crazy. Roger's little horse just went bananas.'

He's not talking about little white pony Peanuts, is he?
 
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/interviews/john.htm

It sure as hell sounds like it, he used to get two of them in a VW bus.

1992 Green interview said:
Gimlin: Well Roger was in the front and his horse tried to spin around and come back. I was riding behind him on the big horse leading the pack horse along. My horse was kind of spooky but not near as bad as Roger’s horse. Roger’s horse was a spooky little horse. He was a young horse of course. The horse I was riding was an older cow horse, been roped on and used for a lot of things. Roger’s horse threw all kinds of fits and when Roger got off the horse, he ran off and the pack horse jerked free from me and ran off back down the way we came.

Green: Did Roger’s horse buck?

Gimlin: No, it never did buck, just reared and jumped all around. His horse was in front of me and of course I wasn’t looking straight at him all the time. This all happened in a couple of heart beats you know. It happened fast!

Green: But then Roger’s horse didn’t go down?

Gimlin: No. It didn’t fall down, just reared up is all.

Green: Because this has been said since [inaudible] …you know that Roger’s horse fell down…?

Gimlin: No, no his horse never did fall down. No.

Green: Okay, that’s interesting. So did he get the camera while he was still on the horse?

Gimlin: Yes, while he was stepping down off the horse. Umm, a lot of people have asked me about that and they probably don’t realize the agility that Roger had. He was a tremendous athlete. Roger had tremendous agility! He had been a rodeo rider, he did gymnastics and this wasn’t a full size horse Roger was riding either. It was a pony, a small horse.

Green: Yeah, I’ve seen those little horses, he used to haul them in a Volkswagen bus…

Gimlin: Yeah, we used to haul two of them in a VW bus. Roger rode these horses because they were easy to get on and off of because Roger wasn’t a very big man. So actually when he was getting off his horse, he always kept that saddle bag ready. The saddle bag had two flaps on it to keep it buckled down. He kept one buckled and one of them unbuckled so he could get his camera in the event he needed it in a hurry and this was the case at that particular time.
 
Well he obviously isn't transporting a 1/4 horse in a VW van. And Gimlin clearly states that they used two put two of the horses Roger was riding in a VW van.
 
Well he obviously isn't transporting a 1/4 horse in a VW van. And Gimlin clearly states that they used two put two of the horses Roger was riding in a VW van.

Yep. Gimlin clearly stating something may not mean much, though.

I don't even think the white pack horse we see can possibly be that little white pony, unless it grew a lot between that van photo and the time of the PGF.
 
I don't even think the white pack horse we see can possibly be that little white pony, unless it grew a lot between that van photo and the time of the PGF.

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Roger is seen on the right unloading (or loading?) what appears to be a Welsh pony colt from his VW van.

That does look like a colt. It may have grown into the white pony that we see used as a packhorse.
 
Welsh pony colt (example)...
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Grown up (examples)...
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Murphy has Peanut as the dark pony being held by Dahinden and he says Peanut wasn't there for the PGF trip.

I'd like to figure out for sure which one is Peanut, was Peanut at Bluff Creek, if not, then what horse is the pack horse?

Crow, don't worry about why these things matter to me, okay? I'm just thinking, that's all. :D
 
W: Now come back to yourself, first of all you showed some routine film of your packhorses, didn't you?

R: Right.

W: Now what were you doing filming at that particular time on the pack horse trip?

R: Well, we hadn't taken any and I thought right of that particular area there, before, and it was a beautiful area right in there, there was some of the .

W: You were just taking odd shots, then?

R: We were just taking some shots of the scenery and of myself and Bob and .

W: Alright, just jump to what you first saw that made you excited.

R: Well we rounded a bend in the road .

W: You were walking?

R: No, we were riding.

Roger used up the first 3/4 of the first roll that day, yet look at those shadows. They didn't ride out together that day until 11am at the earliest, and Murphy has them riding out at noon.
 
First a question for you. It's about your intriguing screenname. Are you a trapshooter?

What horse did BH ride to the PGF site?

According to BH, he rode double with Gimlin. Patterson was on Chico. There were three horses there when BH arrived:

1) Chico.
2) Whatever horse Gimlin had.
3) The packhorse (white?).

The Bigfoot suit was transported in a 'hop sack'. I suspect the wooden boxes (seen on at least two different packhorses) were used to transport plaster castings and/or fake footprint making tools.
 
The film footage that you see [the Patterson film] is what was acquired from that particular sighting in the few seconds that we had film to take pictures with. . .and then Roger ran out of film in the camera. The reason for him running out of film was. . as we were riding up there, we just took our time and fooled around. It was in the fall of the year, the maple trees were turning red and it was kind of pretty and Roger was taking pictures of me riding up the canyons, pictures of the trees and photographing the surrounding areas. So when this all happened, he didn't have much film left in the camera unfortunately.

So the first roll was shot that day according to both Patterson and Gimlin.
 
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