Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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As I said before, I do not think the Titmus/Krantz map is accurate in a number of ways. Both Patty's and Roger's pathways don't seem correct based on what I can see in the film and still frames. Again, my additions to the map below are adapted to the Titmus/Krantz map - which I think is already wrong in fundamental ways (the whole theater and the pathways).

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Crzman
You have echoed a point made by many people, including myself.
To the Patty Believer however, they will say the foot is overexposed in the film, and I even have an answer from Dr. Meldrum himself, saying that the Bigfoot foot may show a combination of gorilla and human foot evolution.

Therefore, they do not have to put pin Patty's biology into any one category.
 
Aepervius said:
Most of us are aware of it, and if you read the thread linked to this monster quest episode you will see why the explanation is refused (degraded DNA under whether condition, non peer reviewed unusual method, no way to reproduce the result, funny how the first result were negative etc...etc...).

Are you aware that when DNA degrade, sometimes it degrade to the point you can't really tell from which specy it is, only to which genus it is parented ? That is why "inconclusive" does not mean it is an unknown hominid DNA, it means that a conclusion cannot be reliably made due to DNA degradation.

The *one* genetic difference could have a lot of explanation other than "it ain't human joe !". DNA degradation, but also "special method used" could have warped part of the human DNA pre-PCR.
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What, precisely is the link to that episode that you're referring to?
As far as no way to reproduce, I am sure there is. He seemed to be the first to find it necessary to deal with galvanization.

Inconclusive because there is not exact match in the database. Do you have any examples where warped human DNA produced this kind of result?
 
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I don’t have much time to explain right now but like you I have always had problems with the Titmus map. Below are four frames as I see them, this is the third time I have tried this map thing and I’m still not sure I have it right. The major problem I have always had is getting the camera to the right position after it was shut down then turned back on. I think I have finally found what I was looking for.

Look at the arrows on frames 1 and 184, see those two branches? I am reasonably certain that frame 195 lines up good with frames 1 and 184 but from a different angle, I always had problems with those two branches, I couldn’t figure out where they went in frame 195. Then after the millionth time looking at the frames I finely noticed that there was another tree behind tree number 7, I figured the branches must be behind tree 7 but in front of tree 6 and out of view in frame 195. Now every frame lines up pretty good, not just the four frames I show on this map, but every frame. FYI, the frame numbers are not set in stone.

This map is based on a 1974 topo map of where I believe the film site is located. I am still tweaking it but thought I’d throw it out here to get opinions. I may be totally off but to me it makes more sense than the Titmus map, go figure.

BTW, rumor has it that Dahinden made some maps, sure would be nice if a guy could take a look at them. I found some other interesting stuff, I explain later.

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There is no DNA whatsoever from that Monsterquest episode, imo. The only one who thinks there is, is the guy who came up with the magical procedure that caused the faulty results.

What are the odds that there is usable DNA from the creature who stepped on the board 2 years ago when the board was left outside and unprotected for those 2 years?

The most likely cause for the error is contamination from the guy doing the test.

Also, they have had plenty of time to firm up their results and reveal the rest of the results. In fact thay had already had plenty of time, since the show aired long after the events.

Still we hear nothing new except the original claim of what sounds exactly like a contamination problem.

The first DNA expert was correct, imo. No DNA was on the board.

We will hear nothing more about the DNA and hair imo, except the word inconclusive. As usual.
 
crZman

What are your thoughts on our esteemed Dr. Meldrum's explaination of the heel?

Wont let me post the link yet, but here's the title if you care to look it up on youtube:

Patty's feet: Meldrum explains foot shape and kinematics
 
LTC8K6 said:
There is no DNA whatsoever from that Monsterquest episode, imo. The only one who thinks there is, is the guy who came up with the magical procedure that caused the faulty results.

What are the odds that there is usable DNA from the creature who stepped on the board 2 years ago when the board was left outside and unprotected for those 2 years?

The most likely cause for the error is contamination from the guy doing the test.

Also, they have had plenty of time to firm up their results and reveal the rest of the results. In fact thay had already had plenty of time, since the show aired long after the events.

Still we hear nothing new except the original claim of what sounds exactly like a contamination problem.

The first DNA expert was correct, imo. No DNA was on the board.

We will hear nothing more about the DNA and hair imo, except the word inconclusive. As usual.
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The board was on a covered porch. The amount of blood would have resisted total decay for two years while protected from the elements. Blood naturally coalesces, providing a protective layer. (The only proven method to destroy blood is bleach)

The first expert apparently was unable to create a primer, or unable to even find a reason for the non readability of the sample.

In the ensuing time, he (Dr. Meldrum) seems to have been able to have bigfoot's footprint officially classified, Anthroidipes Ameriborealis.
 
I like how when he first traced the outline of blood it was a big triangle, then drew another line to make it appear more foot-shaped. And did they ever give a reason for why the nailboard was not presented immediately for testing? Or did they just figure it was better left out in the elements for a couple of years?
 
The board was on a covered porch. The amount of blood would have resisted total decay for two years while protected from the elements. Blood naturally coalesces, providing a protective layer. (The only proven method to destroy blood is bleach)

The first expert apparently was unable to create a primer, or unable to even find a reason for the non readability of the sample.

In the ensuing time, he (Dr. Meldrum) seems to have been able to have bigfoot's footprint officially classified, Anthroidipes Ameriborealis.
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Who is going to believe that junk? Why do you think you will get away with it here?
 
LTC8K6 said:
Who is going to believe that junk? Why do you think you will get away with it here?
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Which part is junk? Or are you just falling back on your blah, blah, har har type of skepticism?

Do you doubt the viability of blood? How do you explain the original sample?

Or the first expert's inability to figure how to analyze the sample?

Or the classification of the footprints?
 
manofthesea said:
Which part is junk? Or are you just falling back on your blah, blah, har har type of skepticism?

Do you doubt the viability of blood? How do you explain the original sample?

Or the first expert's inability to figure how to analyze the sample?

Or the classification of the footprints?
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Any answer will suffice. Pseudoskepticism anyone?
 
ugot2bekidding said:
I like how when he first traced the outline of blood it was a big triangle, then drew another line to make it appear more foot-shaped. And did they ever give a reason for why the nailboard was not presented immediately for testing? Or did they just figure it was better left out in the elements for a couple of years?
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Read this thread. You'll learn some real analytical methods.
 
ugot2bekidding said:
crZman

What are your thoughts on our esteemed Dr. Meldrum's explaination of the heel?

Wont let me post the link yet, but here's the title if you care to look it up on youtube:

Patty's feet: Meldrum explains foot shape and kinematics
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"Meldrum" Is this the same Meldrum that ran inside the cabin on Monster Quest when his hairy Bigfoot threw a rock at the cabin? It seems if he has dedicated his life to finding Bigfoot. You would think he would have ran towards the direction that the rock came from. Surely he would give his life to prove this Monster exsist. No, instead he runs inside the cabin giggling like a girl scout at a weenie roast. The Achilles Tendon has to connect to the rear of the heel. The way Pattys heels are the Achilles tendon would have to bend in two to three inches to the back of the ankle and then go up from there or attach to the front part of the calcaneus bone at the back of the ankle. That would leeve the extra two to three inches of bone useless. Im not a pro like Mr. Meldrum but anybody with common sense can tell Pattys feet are fake. If Meldrum and Kranz are the Top Dogs of the Bigfoot world and they really believe the Patterson footage is a Bigfoot then I can say Bigfoot is BOGUS! These guys are a JOKE! Thats what I think of Mr. Meldrum but Im just an Average Joe. What do I know!
 
ugot2bekidding said:
I made an observation, and asked a simple question (didn't see the whole episode). Am I missing something?
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No, I'm just applying pseudobleef.

One thing that I've learned over time is this: fight fire with fire.
(What's good for the goose...)
 
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