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JEROME DA GNOME
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How does one DEBUNK a speech recorded by C-SPAN?
You quoted from the link I provided. What did your quote have to do me being wrong? Now your statement on the other hand does present that my statement is unprovable.
As there is no way to evidence that the demands of the King to use Bank of England currency by the colonies was THE reason behind the revolution I retract that characterization.
JEROME DA GNOME
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KoihimeNakamura
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Anyway, Ron Paul For President is dead, long live Ron Paul For President.
Dr. Lao
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Didn't you just post that in another thread?
Yeah, I love seeing it.
Maybe you Paulistas will figure it out one of these days.
MaGZ
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Why waist you time on anything Albert Speer had to say? He was nothing more than an opportunist, not a true believer in National Socialism. How can you separate his lies from the truth?
KoihimeNakamura
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... *cough*...
MaGZ. Because the "Truth" of Nationl Socalism is something I don't particularly care for. And also because I try not to read the same books over and over.
MaGZ. Because the "Truth" of Nationl Socalism is something I don't particularly care for. And also because I try not to read the same books over and over.
MaGZ
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Apparently you are a college kid. You might start educating yourself with WWII history with the Institute for Historical Review.
D'rok
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Or don't. If you value your brain:
"The Institute for Historical Review (IHR), founded in 1978, is an American Holocaust denial organization that describes itself as a "public-interest educational, research and publishing center dedicated to promoting greater public awareness of history." Critics have accused it of being an antisemitic "pseudo-academic body" with links to neo-Nazi organizations, and assert that its primary focus is denying key facts of Nazism and the genocide of Jews and others.It has been described as the "world's leading Holocaust denial organization." IHR published the non-peer-reviewed Journal of Historical Review."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review
delphi_ote
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Man, what happened to all that internet support? I'm shocked, I tell you!
KoihimeNakamura
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I've already read Shermer's Book on Denying History and the book about the Trial of Irving and Ipdstat. I know who the IHR are, and no dice.
dash
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The Myth Of American Military Power
Some time late 2006 Bush stated that the US must be capable of operating in outer space, and if necessary deny other nations the capability of operating there.
January 11, 2007 China responded by firing a missile that took out one of their own satellites. NASA was concerned the debris would cause a chain reaction -- crap hits other satellites, which explode releasing more crap, which hits more satellites...it doesn't seem to have happened.
November of 2007 during American Naval exercises near Taiwan a Chinese submarine surfaced, undetected, right in the midst, right near the supercarrier USS Kitty Hawk. This caused great consternation and scrambling of activity by the Americans.
Aircraft carriers. How many billions of dollars do they cost? How many billions do all the aircraft on the carriers cost? How many carriers do we own? Why do we even own them?
They're the most potent force WWII had to offer. At least until the nuclear bomb. Nuclear bombs make aircraft carriers obsolete. They've been obsolete for 60 years, yet we still own and maintain them.
If China, Russia or probably even India, or a number of nations in Europe wanted, they could take out any of our carriers whenever they want. It's a simple matter, really. Just fire an ICBM (Inter continental ballistic missile) with a nuclear payload at one. China and Russia have spy satellites that can guide the missile right to the target -- the flight deck of the carrier. The missile will be closing at around 15,000 mph. The payload can break up into a number of independent nukes. They all go KABOOM! and the carrier and its battle group is toast.
The US can't win any war over middle eastern oil. Russia and China won't let us. We can move a few carriers over there, prepare to launch bombing missions, then R+C will say, "I beg your pardon? We'll have none of that." They simply can't allow the US to have a stranglehold on the world's major oil reserves. It's death to them. They can't allow themselves to be at the US's mercy to that extent. If necessary they'll just lay in a nuke, take out the carrier, and all the bombers won't have anyplace to land. That is, the ones that weren't destroyed with the carrier.
Iraq is a disaster for the US. It's prime entertainment for China and Russia. It's America's equivalent to Russia's disaster in Afghanistan. These countries don't want a world government dominated by the US. They're laughing at how we're killing our economy and our credibility in the world with the ongoing failure in Iraq. They're perfectly content to let us waste our resources and energy in this ridiculous play on control of middle eastern oil. They know they've got veto power if they need to use it.
China's not the bad guy. Neither is Russia. The US is the bad guy today. We're the bully. We can't compete on a level playing field, so we invest our energy in building the biggest club we can get, and we think we can have everything our own way. That doesn't work anymore.
Let's see. In terms of military capability, US has nukes. Well surprise, so do Russia and China. We've got missiles and spy satellites. Well so do Russia and China. We've got aircraft carriers and fantastic fighter jets. Russia has them, China probably doesn't. But they're obsolete anyway. We've got 300 million people. China has over a billion. Our government is bankrupt. China's government is doing quite well monetarily.
The US bankrupted the USSR by goading them into a military arms race. The USSR collapsed, the US just went heavily into debt. That debt has just kept growing, and growing, and growing. China has learned a message from history. If the US gets in any sort of cold war with China, they'll bury us. They can outmanufacture us on a moment's notice. Our cost of labor is sky high. Theirs is far more reasonable. We'll get destroyed economically in any attempted military contest with China.
We can't bully Russia and China. For a while we can bully little countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia. But they're getting bold and they're starting to stand up. The US Empire is over, dead and gone, "See ya!" The world's moved on. If at any point it looks like the US might actually take strategic control of the world's resources, China and Russia will prevent it, one way or another.
The US is dumbed down, remember? Our population is the dumbest it's ever been in history. Our schools are expensive daycare centers. We don't need to earn our living, we just need to borrow from the rest of the world. Our colleges have lowered the bar so much because our graduating high school seniors are ridiculously unprepared. School in America is just getting easier and easier.
Schools in other countries are much more effective. Their students study hard, knowing that knowledge is power. Ours play video games. Our parents play World Of Warcraft. We watch TV all the time. While we're playing games, borrowing money to live the playboy lifestyle, these other countries are busily building the new economic powerhouses of tomorrow. They want to come to the US because life here is so cushy -- and they're so much more prepared to thrive in our society than our own people. Wages are higher here because the US controls the world's reserve currency, the US dollar. We write the rulebook.
When it comes down to maintaining the American lifestyle, Americans have started to indicate, "Don't give me the details, just get it done!" They used to just turn a blind eye. Now they knowlingly condone preemptive attacks. "You don't like us? We kill you!" That's what the Americans are saying.
America's bullying days are at an end. The empire is dying. It's on its last legs. The dollar is collapsing. The UK and EU are collapsing as well, but the US is failing first. Don't believe the propaganda that the US consumer is driving the world economy. That's pure fantasy. If the US were to suddenly stop consuming, all the other countries that are producing would start using their own products. We're not driving the world economy, we're holding it back.
The US isn't a Constitutional Republic anymore. The Constitution has been all but shredded by our corrupt government. We've become a socialist regime. The government manages everything -- just like under communism! There are regulations galore, endless taxes, horrendous spending. The government represents something like 50% of the GDP. That's not socialism?
Say bye to the American Empire. Let's hope this is the last empire the world will ever know. Say no to world government, we don't want that. We don't want it to be that there's no place to escape to, as one world government would mean. Say no to one world currency.
No, we want the same collection of sovereign nations, all independent, all competing, all with their own currencies and monetary policies. All trading fairly with each other. Free trade. Under this scenario people would migrate to whichever country they wanted to live in. Survival of the fittest. Go to a free place and you'll thrive.
We don't need any more empires. All the US needs is enough military to protect ourselves from outside aggression. We don't need to be able to fight two major wars on two fronts at the same time. There can't be any more Hitlers bent on world domination. Nuclear missiles make that obsolete. You start invading neighboring countries, like Germany did before WWII, and your homeland will get nuked. Simple matter, really. Everyone plays by the rules. If you want to conquer a neighboring country, treat it like an economic merger. You buy it.
I'm ashamed of my country these days. What have we become? We're not the good guys anymore. We're the bad guys. This is a great trajedy. We can't blame the politicians for this one. We're all responsible, because we tacitly OK everything they do. We should all be ashamed of ourselves.
But don't worry, justice is coming, and right soon. As Nelson from the Simpsons would say, "Hah hah!"
Some time late 2006 Bush stated that the US must be capable of operating in outer space, and if necessary deny other nations the capability of operating there.
January 11, 2007 China responded by firing a missile that took out one of their own satellites. NASA was concerned the debris would cause a chain reaction -- crap hits other satellites, which explode releasing more crap, which hits more satellites...it doesn't seem to have happened.
November of 2007 during American Naval exercises near Taiwan a Chinese submarine surfaced, undetected, right in the midst, right near the supercarrier USS Kitty Hawk. This caused great consternation and scrambling of activity by the Americans.
Aircraft carriers. How many billions of dollars do they cost? How many billions do all the aircraft on the carriers cost? How many carriers do we own? Why do we even own them?
They're the most potent force WWII had to offer. At least until the nuclear bomb. Nuclear bombs make aircraft carriers obsolete. They've been obsolete for 60 years, yet we still own and maintain them.
If China, Russia or probably even India, or a number of nations in Europe wanted, they could take out any of our carriers whenever they want. It's a simple matter, really. Just fire an ICBM (Inter continental ballistic missile) with a nuclear payload at one. China and Russia have spy satellites that can guide the missile right to the target -- the flight deck of the carrier. The missile will be closing at around 15,000 mph. The payload can break up into a number of independent nukes. They all go KABOOM! and the carrier and its battle group is toast.
The US can't win any war over middle eastern oil. Russia and China won't let us. We can move a few carriers over there, prepare to launch bombing missions, then R+C will say, "I beg your pardon? We'll have none of that." They simply can't allow the US to have a stranglehold on the world's major oil reserves. It's death to them. They can't allow themselves to be at the US's mercy to that extent. If necessary they'll just lay in a nuke, take out the carrier, and all the bombers won't have anyplace to land. That is, the ones that weren't destroyed with the carrier.
Iraq is a disaster for the US. It's prime entertainment for China and Russia. It's America's equivalent to Russia's disaster in Afghanistan. These countries don't want a world government dominated by the US. They're laughing at how we're killing our economy and our credibility in the world with the ongoing failure in Iraq. They're perfectly content to let us waste our resources and energy in this ridiculous play on control of middle eastern oil. They know they've got veto power if they need to use it.
China's not the bad guy. Neither is Russia. The US is the bad guy today. We're the bully. We can't compete on a level playing field, so we invest our energy in building the biggest club we can get, and we think we can have everything our own way. That doesn't work anymore.
Let's see. In terms of military capability, US has nukes. Well surprise, so do Russia and China. We've got missiles and spy satellites. Well so do Russia and China. We've got aircraft carriers and fantastic fighter jets. Russia has them, China probably doesn't. But they're obsolete anyway. We've got 300 million people. China has over a billion. Our government is bankrupt. China's government is doing quite well monetarily.
The US bankrupted the USSR by goading them into a military arms race. The USSR collapsed, the US just went heavily into debt. That debt has just kept growing, and growing, and growing. China has learned a message from history. If the US gets in any sort of cold war with China, they'll bury us. They can outmanufacture us on a moment's notice. Our cost of labor is sky high. Theirs is far more reasonable. We'll get destroyed economically in any attempted military contest with China.
We can't bully Russia and China. For a while we can bully little countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia. But they're getting bold and they're starting to stand up. The US Empire is over, dead and gone, "See ya!" The world's moved on. If at any point it looks like the US might actually take strategic control of the world's resources, China and Russia will prevent it, one way or another.
The US is dumbed down, remember? Our population is the dumbest it's ever been in history. Our schools are expensive daycare centers. We don't need to earn our living, we just need to borrow from the rest of the world. Our colleges have lowered the bar so much because our graduating high school seniors are ridiculously unprepared. School in America is just getting easier and easier.
Schools in other countries are much more effective. Their students study hard, knowing that knowledge is power. Ours play video games. Our parents play World Of Warcraft. We watch TV all the time. While we're playing games, borrowing money to live the playboy lifestyle, these other countries are busily building the new economic powerhouses of tomorrow. They want to come to the US because life here is so cushy -- and they're so much more prepared to thrive in our society than our own people. Wages are higher here because the US controls the world's reserve currency, the US dollar. We write the rulebook.
When it comes down to maintaining the American lifestyle, Americans have started to indicate, "Don't give me the details, just get it done!" They used to just turn a blind eye. Now they knowlingly condone preemptive attacks. "You don't like us? We kill you!" That's what the Americans are saying.
America's bullying days are at an end. The empire is dying. It's on its last legs. The dollar is collapsing. The UK and EU are collapsing as well, but the US is failing first. Don't believe the propaganda that the US consumer is driving the world economy. That's pure fantasy. If the US were to suddenly stop consuming, all the other countries that are producing would start using their own products. We're not driving the world economy, we're holding it back.
The US isn't a Constitutional Republic anymore. The Constitution has been all but shredded by our corrupt government. We've become a socialist regime. The government manages everything -- just like under communism! There are regulations galore, endless taxes, horrendous spending. The government represents something like 50% of the GDP. That's not socialism?
Say bye to the American Empire. Let's hope this is the last empire the world will ever know. Say no to world government, we don't want that. We don't want it to be that there's no place to escape to, as one world government would mean. Say no to one world currency.
No, we want the same collection of sovereign nations, all independent, all competing, all with their own currencies and monetary policies. All trading fairly with each other. Free trade. Under this scenario people would migrate to whichever country they wanted to live in. Survival of the fittest. Go to a free place and you'll thrive.
We don't need any more empires. All the US needs is enough military to protect ourselves from outside aggression. We don't need to be able to fight two major wars on two fronts at the same time. There can't be any more Hitlers bent on world domination. Nuclear missiles make that obsolete. You start invading neighboring countries, like Germany did before WWII, and your homeland will get nuked. Simple matter, really. Everyone plays by the rules. If you want to conquer a neighboring country, treat it like an economic merger. You buy it.
I'm ashamed of my country these days. What have we become? We're not the good guys anymore. We're the bad guys. This is a great trajedy. We can't blame the politicians for this one. We're all responsible, because we tacitly OK everything they do. We should all be ashamed of ourselves.
But don't worry, justice is coming, and right soon. As Nelson from the Simpsons would say, "Hah hah!"
JEROME DA GNOME
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Dash, well said.
TriskettheKid
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Are you kidding?
Nuclear bombs are a last-ditch weapon. They are a deterrent, and not much else.
The aircraft carrier, however, is one of the most potent vehicles of war that's ever existed. It is THE way to project military might. They can put to see for a long time, have an extreme range, and have the ability, with their battle group, to land and launch planes at a rate that rivals some of the busiest airports in the world.
Simply put, the aircraft carrier is not obsolete. At all.
And that would be ridiculously stupid. You don't waste an ICBM on a battle group. ICBM's are used to strike at things like cities, airbases, missile silos, etc. You don't use them to take out a single carrier group. Not when the warships can be, at times, over a mile apart.
Not to mention, launching ICBM's against carrier groups wouldn't do a thing against the dozens of boomers that have just launched their payloads.
JEROME DA GNOME
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You go on and on about how the carrier group is so powerful and then state that an ICBM would be wasted destroying said carrier battle group.
TriskettheKid
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You go on and on about how the carrier group is so powerful and then state that an ICBM would be wasted destroying said carrier battle group.
Because it would be.
There are much better weapons that can be used. Such as the much cheaper Air-to-Surface Anti-ship missile. Something that a squadron of fighters could launch against a carrier. As good as the Phalanx is, I'm betting it could get overwhelmed if enough is fired at the ship.
Honestly, where the hell did people like you learn about the military? Tom Clancy novels? TV shows like "24?"
WildCat
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Can you name a year we were the "good guys"?
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