How To Be A Global Warming Sceptic

CapelDodger said:
A word from the wise : DD's messing with you. He's a bugger for that. Saying little while leading you up a garden-path of your own assumptions.

Beware Danes. They are ruthless, and have questionable manners.
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Tsk, tsk.

Such stereotyping is unbecoming. :)
 
TrueSceptic said:
Oh c'mon. Aren't we all nice, friendly Europeans now? :)
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That's what people thought when the Danes converted to Christianity, and look where that got us. At the first opportunity they were back.

Truth be told, if there is a Danish plan to melt off swathes of Greenland territory and move over there, I'll sleep easier in my bed.
 
CapelDodger said:
That's what people thought when the Danes converted to Christianity, and look where that got us. At the first opportunity they were back.
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In the words of the immortal Douglas Adams: "We appologize for any inconvenience".
Truth be told, if there is a Danish plan to melt off swathes of Greenland territory and move over there, I'll sleep easier in my bed.
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I'm not saying there is, and I'm not saying there isn't.
 
TrueSceptic said:
As I tried to explain to mhaze, this thread is not about whether particular claims are true; it is about the fact that GW "sceptics" seem to have multiple beliefs that are often contradictory.
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Why should this be at all interesting? Many believe Jesus Christ to be the son of God. Are there not also Jesus "sceptics" that seem to have multiple beliefs that are often contradictory?

When you get to a point, please let us know.
 
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I guess we have to remember that when mhaze exhaults others to stick to the science he doesn't do so himself. In fact he is quite happy to make "slight exaggerations" in order to score cheap debating points here.
 
jsfisher said:
Why should this be at all interesting? Many believe Jesus Christ to be the son of God. Are there not also Jesus "sceptics" that seem to have multiple beliefs that are often contradictory?

When you get to a point, please let us know.
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Well it seems that some have found it interesting. Perhaps you don't because you are one of these "sceptics" and you don't like what you see?

If you can't see my point by now then you never will.
 
Supercharts said:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/node/7009#SlideFrame_1
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Yes, a single sentence summation of the following would fit right it.
Should Gore and the UN succeed, the effect will not only be diminished prosperity in the United States. In underdeveloped countries, billions of people are lifting themselves from poverty by means of hydrocarbon energy. If their energy supplies are rationed and taxed, they will slip backwards into poverty, misery, and death. This fits the population control agenda of the United Nations.

If the misuse and falsification of the scientific method that drives the human-caused global-warming mania succeeds, it will cause the greatest acts of human genocide the world has ever known. It must be stopped.
 
TrueSceptic said:
Well it seems that some have found it interesting. Perhaps you don't because you are one of these "sceptics" and you don't like what you see?
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Or perhaps I am not, but either way my likes and dislikes are really irrelevant to this thread.

If you can't see my point by now then you never will.
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Your agenda, er, point is perfectly obvious. Why did you not start this thread in the Politics or the Religion forum, though?
 
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TrueSceptic said:
Yes, a single sentence summation of the following would fit right it.
Should Gore and the UN succeed, the effect will not only be diminished prosperity in the United States. In underdeveloped countries, billions of people are lifting themselves from poverty by means of hydrocarbon energy. If their energy supplies are rationed and taxed, they will slip backwards into poverty, misery, and death. This fits the population control agenda of the United Nations.

If the misuse and falsification of the scientific method that drives the human-caused global-warming mania succeeds, it will cause the greatest acts of human genocide the world has ever known. It must be stopped.
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This is only true if "prosperity" of the nation is defined as the profit of oil companies. Renewable energy sources are a breakthrough market just like the internet was. Only that thanks to the oil companies we may drop the ball on this one.
 
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Alric said:
....If the misuse and falsification of the scientific method that drives the human-caused global-warming mania succeeds, it will cause the greatest acts of human genocide the world has ever known. It must be stopped....
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This is only true if "prosperity" of the nation is defined as the profit of oil companies....
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Wow.....
 
jsfisher said:
Or perhaps I am not, but either way my likes and dislikes are really irrelevant to this thread.

Your agenda, er, point is perfectly obvious. Why did you not start this thread in the Politics or the Religion forum, though?
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I tried to make that point, also - not that he did not pose a valid question (well, maybe it's a valid, but uninteresting question) - but that another forum would be where it actually fits.

The exception of course, is if the actual scientific articles can be shoehorned into his constructs. But my suggestions in that direction are not appreciated...
 
mhaze said:
I tried to make that point, also - not that he did not pose a valid question (well, maybe it's a valid, but uninteresting question) - but that another forum would be where it actually fits.

The exception of course, is if the actual scientific articles can be shoehorned into his constructs. But my suggestions in that direction are not appreciated...
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Perhaps a reasonable response to TS would be to help him develop the corresponding list of things the AGW faithful say. E.g. with respect to climate, the Earth is a closed system.
 
jsfisher said:
Perhaps a reasonable response to TS would be to help him develop the corresponding list of things the AGW faithful say. E.g. with respect to climate, the Earth is a closed system.
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Perhaps, but to simply take a large population subset, enumerate a group of statements, then ask "prove they did not say these things" is action with purpose but no meaning.

Sort of.... trolling.
 
jsfisher said:
Perhaps a reasonable response to TS would be to help him develop the corresponding list of things the AGW faithful say. E.g. with respect to climate, the Earth is a closed system.
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We could also compose a list of invented claims - such as "the Earth is a closed system".

(That's more the realm of Creationists and their "Second Law of Thermodynamics" dreck.)
 
Alric said:
This is only true if "prosperity" of the nation is defined as the profit of oil companies. Renewable energy sources are a breakthrough market just like the internet was. Only that thanks to the oil companies we may drop the ball on this one.
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It's far more than the oil companies. US society is so enmeshed with oil - particularly gasoline - that oil-use has become indentified with prosperity. (Even at current prices.) And it's only alone in degree; there are other societies which are far down that track, just not as far.

This creates what I've referred to as "inertia" in a previous post. The Brits suffered from it in the 19thCE; the Spanish suffered it in the 16th and 17thCE (they identified prosperity with bullion-filled vaults, not with investment). It's a common fault of dominant societies to expend their effort trying to maintain a status quo that's been good to them instead of moving with the times.

The whole car-based economy thing has had its day. Even the late-joiners will realise that soon enough. Personal transport will become a luxury again. A tendency towards gigantism always heralds the end :).
 
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