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PRACTICAL fusion device by Princeton physicist suppressed

metamars

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I'd like to comment more on this, but don't have the time right now.

See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606 for a talk given at Google.

According to a very bright, Princeton educated physicist Robert Bussard, who has successfully created fusion in small, magnetically confined polyhedral devices, all of the physics problems have been solved, and all that is required to solve are engineering problems.

To find out what the benefits are, and why they had to be underfunded to get any government funding, at all, you can just watch the last part starting at 1:00.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Bussard that China or possibly India are likely to develop this before the US. This is tragic, in that Bussard is an American, the patents are owned by an American company, and there's no good reason why the US couldn't lead the way to a very benign ecological future.

Of the two, it is China that is working on "very interesting" tokamak fusion devices, apart from the huge (and, according to Bussard, likely futile) international ITER fusion project, and that "will beat ITER to the punch".

Developing these power plants would allow very rapid space travel. Going to Mars should only take about 4 weeks, and 76 days to Titan, a Saturnian moon.

So, don't be surprised when China not only leaves the US in the dust economically, but furthermore leaves the US still piddling with kerosene fueled rockets while they zoom throughout the solar system on fusion powered systems.

Maybe if we ask them nicely, they will let us hitch a ride. :)

Finally, Bussard's project got completely defunded a few years ago. He was getting funding from the Navy, "under the radar", but even the chump change he was getting was cut when the Navy's R&D budget got cut by 26%. The money was needed for George Bush's Iraq fiasco.

To find out why he's given up on the US government, including and especially DOE, watch the video. There is definitely a 'conspiracy' of careerism and bureaucracy (if you can call it that - Bussard certainly didn't).

Is there more to it than that?


edited to correct spelling of Bussard's name
 
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One hour and 32 minutes. :(

Ok here is a comment:
all of the physics problems have been solved, and all that is required to solve are engineering problems.
The same could be said for time travel to the future.
 
Metamars:

"All of the physics problems have been solved, and all that is required to solve are engineering problems."

Sounds like any nuclear reactor to me!
 
To find out why he's given up on the US government, including and especially DOE, watch the video. There is definitely a 'conspiracy' of careerism and bureaucracy (if you can call it that - Broussard certainly didn't).

Is there more to it than that?
Yes. Bussard has a greater problem to solve, for which neither the physics nor the engineering has been figured out: returning from the dead.
 
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That is a speed of 464285.7 mph. Or, more speed from energy than these Tokamak reactors appear to produce. (which is , currently 1000eV according to Wikipedia)

I find it unlikely, honestly.

Bussard's design is not a tokamak, as he makes clear in his Google talk.

If you can get a 1 g acceleration, Mars is doable in about 49.5 hours. ( I used 78 million km in http://www.cthreepo.com/cp_html/math1.htm )
 
As others have already noted, "Robert Boussard" is in fact the late Dr. Robert Bussard. Yes, if you've ever read any Larry Niven, that's him. Over the past 40+ years he created a significant body of work on fusion research.

Having his Navy funding (ONR, I assume) cut is no basis to say his work has been "suppressed." This kind of thing happens all the time. By that standard, I would be equally justified in saying that my own, less controversial research had been "suppressed" seven times in the last decade. Whoever drew that conclusion betrays a fundamental lack of understanding and experience with government funded research. To wit, if such alarmist folk ever heard of ITAR, I suspect they would conclude that the United States Government was determined to suppress everything.

As to the claim of its revolutionary impact on spaceflight, this is much more dependent on how much the technology can be miniaturized. I see no evidence that it can, at least within our lifetimes. If it cannot, then fusion reactions offer no practical benefit over an alternate form of nuclear propulsion that largely "had all the science worked out" almost 50 years ago. This approach is simpler, of comparable efficiency, and has been demonstrated in small scale, yet for reasons that should be obvious has never been put into practice.

I am not opposed to fusion research, but the wording of the OP is little more than fatuous sensationalism.
 
So earth is the reference point in interplanetary travel? Again I ask why is 1 G acceleration an imposibbility?
In space you can get 1 g and go places. Go for it. 1 g space travel from earth? We are sitting at 1 g. Good luck. Not impossible, I am at 1 g right now. Which direction do you want to go? Or do you mean 2 gs. I give up. How are you getting off the earth surface with 1 g. Not more than 1 g in the z plane, or any plane. Gee make it sun centered, or galaxy centered. Any reference you want. I am having a hard time getting off the surface with 1 g. Oops, 1.1, I just jumped, but then back to earth. At 1 g I have maintained 5 feet 11 inches. If I get an impulse above 1 g, I can go higher. 1 g sideways is 1.414s overall and go no where in space yet, or am I missing something. Even in a sun reference system the equations of motion are tough, but I have not left the surface of earth yet. It could take a while to get to mars from here at 1 g.

Let me think, is the earth hollow? Could we accelerate through the earth at 1 g and come out the other side and launch into orbit. But I am still doing 1 g and my house is still on earth. Should I give it 2 gs? I tried 1 g side ways, but we were getting a resultant acceleration of 1.414 or something. Is that 1 g?
 
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In space you can get 1 g and go places. Go for it. 1 g space travel from earth? We are sitting at 1 g. Good luck.
I think what metamars means is that the spacecraft accelerates at 1g (that is, 32 ft/s²) for half the journey, then turns around and decelerates at 1g for the other half of the journey. This means for the duration of the trip the crew would feel as if it was under normal Earth gravity.

I assume he meant the ship would depart from orbit, not the Earth's surface.
 
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Having his Navy funding (ONR, I assume) cut is no basis to say his work has been "suppressed."

Wrt the Navy funding situation, I completely agree. Wrt having to go to the Navy, instead of the DOE, I think it's reasonable to characterize Bussard's statement that he was told that DOE would kill his project as "suppression".

How much of this suppression goes beyond selfish career concerns and bureaucracy, I have no way of knowing.

BTW, the title was chosen mostly to be catchy. I am more interested in having the public know what is possible. This is just one more forum where I posted about Bussard. And all with incorrect spelling!

As to the claim of its revolutionary impact on spaceflight, this is much more dependent on how much the technology can be miniaturized.

Why do you say "miniaturized"? Certainly, all of his prototypes were small. You must mean that you expect a model big enough to power a spacecraft to be enormous. Do you have any firm basis for such a belief?

I don't have a firm basis for believing in the contrary, but Bussard sounds legitimate enough to me that the sort of review panel that Bussard called for could offer a substantive opinion.

Do you know of any fusion physicists, who do not have a vested interest in some other fusion technology, who have properly reviewed Bussard's work and pronounced his claim re spacecraft to be unsound?
 

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