Dylan Avery Gets Schooled By The BBC (Video)

[8den]

I'm confused, Dylan Avery describes himself as a "drop out" to the filmakers, the film makers apply that description in their presentation of Dylan.

Dylan and Alex leap on this singular point, as it's unfair, because, technically Dylan never managed to get in, to drop out. A producer botches his response to this spurious non issue.

Have I got this right?

Are they really this desperate as to get this tenuous?

 

[nicepants]

Sure its derogatory, but film school reject is still accurate while "self confessed drop out" implies he is a quitter that now makes CT movies in his room. One implies something worse.

Which of these implies something "worse" in your mind?

self-professed dropout
film-school reject

Personally I don't think it makes much difference either way. I believe in the film they talk about the success of Loose Change and say "not bad for a self-professed dropout". So it's not even used in a manner that might be construed as an attack on his credibility.

I hate to do this but Im tired now and have already talked about my problems with it at length and dont have the patience to start repeating myself again and again. Please see my previous posts.

I saw them, you haven't pointed out any other FACTS which you believe the BBC got wrong, mostly seems to be complaints about the amount of face time & which claims were addressed. I want to know what they reported that was wrong.

 

[Edx]

Yep, you say it has errors, but want to use it because you think it makes a point. Are you endorsing a failed point in Zeitgeist? Reads like it. But as you say your Zeitgeist is irrelevant. [/COLOR]

No Im not endorsing it. Read my posts properly to see why I brought it up.

 

[Edx]

Which of these implies something "worse"?

self-professed dropout
film-school reject

I just said, didnt I? People get rejected from their chosen colleges and Universities all the time, but dropouts arent generally seen in a positive light because it suggests the person is a quitter who cant stick with something.

I saw them, you haven't pointed out any other FACTS which you believe the BBC got wrong, mostly seems to be complaints about the amount of face time & which claims were addressed. I want to know what they reported that was wrong.

Then you must have read me talking about the claim that jewish workers were warned on 911. Tell me, how did the show present this claim?

 

[beachnut]

No Im not endorsing it. Read my posts properly to see why I brought it up.

I read your post, you think there is something of value there? Explain please why you brought it up again?

Beachnut you obviously havent read a thing Ive said, or you did and chose not to understand it. Im not endorsing Zeitgeist and you of all people I know is a brick wall to debate with, half the things you say dont even seem to make any sence.

You are the one who does not make sence sense. Why do we say this to people instead of explaining what we said again for the impaired people like me.

I thought it was pretty funny in Zeitgeist when they added 3 stooges music over a monatge of clips of the bush administration talking about terrorism in their speeches.

It would work for Alex Jones and Dylan even better (check the polls). Alex is so roid stupid, he is a perfect match for Dylan anemic stupid. Their ideas are not based on facts. Alex Jones said it was a hit pieces on Dylan. Dylan is a hit piece on Dylan. Is Dylan smart enough to be a dropout? I would not mention Alex Jones, just present your own review with points. Alex Jones is not a good source. If you use him and think he has facts, it is self critiquing. (facts, not biased junk)

I decided to whip up a short video of Dylan Avery getting perplexed when a BBC reporter tried to explain Shanksville corner Wally Miller’s description of the seeming lack of bodies at the United 93 crash site.

Excellent clip

 

[dbalsdon]

while "self confessed drop out" implies he is a quitter

So if someone told you they were a drop out, would you instantly assume they were a quitter?

 

[Walter Ego]

So, you feel like your talking to a brick wall Edx? Welcome to the debunkers world. Except, we're talking to literally tens of them.

I've given up on Edx. The last time I looked he was still going on about how the BBC was mean to Dylan by calling him a dropout. It's like watching a dog endlessly chasing its own tail in a circle. Round and round he goes getting nowhere and accomplishing exactly nothing.

 

[HawksFan]

So, Dylan applied to one film school, got rejected, gave up on his apparent dream of becoming a (legitimate) film maker, and now makes lame internet CT follies.

Sounds like a quitter to me.

 

[Edx]

So, Dylan applied to one film school, got rejected, gave up on his apparent dream of becoming a (legitimate) film maker, and now makes lame internet CT follies.

Sounds like a quitter to me.

Thats true, but that doesnt make him a "self confessed drop out". Thats spin, and not even very smart spin.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Not according to the producer. He said it was a fair and balanced investigation that went back to primary sources and witness'.



This one was.


Want me to list all the websites, videos and films Ive seen that show me most 911 Truth claims are wrong? No matter, you'd rather put me in a box and dismiss me as a "truther" in order to ignore me.

There you go, it's completely unfair and unbalanced because YOU disagree with the wording used by the guy, and a wording that is at best arguably negative. That's a oretty pathetic argument. The irony being calling it a hit piece and making that argument being on a valid term that you dislike. Very funny.

I don't want to ignore you, I want to point out how utterly absurd your argument is. Your own argument is invalid and dismisses you. I don't need to pretend you are a truther. Your stereo typical behavior makes it obvious. And you like the 1000s before you of course actually think your behavior is unlike everyone else and that YOU unlike others are somehow fair and balanced. Maybe you might want to start reading through the forums to see the 1000s of others who behave exactly like you and tout the same identical claims as you: "I am not a truther, you just want to pretend I am one to shut me up and not face the truth".

My God, could you guys at least try to be original for once?

 

[Edx]

So if someone told you they were a drop out, would you instantly assume they were a quitter?

I watched the show without knowing anything about Avery, I thought nothing of the comment at the time. I assumed he had dropped out of University course, he didnt.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Thats true, but that doesnt make him a "self confessed drop out". Thats spin, and not even very smart spin.

Spin would be trying to take a valid adjective and trying to spin it into a hit piece. As explained, the comment underlines that Dylan chose this direction over school, thus it essentially caused him to drop out of school as he would most likely have continued with school otherwise. Again, stop trying to spin this and use double-standards doing so.

 

[Edx]

There you go, it's completely unfair and unbalanced because YOU disagree with the wording used by the guy, and a wording that is at best arguably negative. That's a oretty pathetic argument. The irony being calling it a hit piece and making that argument being on a valid term that you dislike. Very funny.

I disagree with the wording because he wasnt a drop out and in defence the producer tried to pretend the word implied something else in the UK than it does in the US. Its the defence that makes it even worse, because it shows how low the producer is.

EDIT to ADD:

Spin would be trying to take a valid adjective and trying to spin it into a hit piece. As explained, the comment underlines that Dylan chose this direction over school, thus it essentially caused him to drop out of school as he would most likely have continued with school otherwise. Again, stop trying to spin this and use double-standards doing so.

Thats a stretch. University isnt school, and in the UK drop out means someone that attended school, college or university and then dropped out of them. I can be said to have dropped out of a college subject I was taking, I cannot be said to have dropped out of University because I never attended University. I have asked repeatedly for you to show me places where they actually use the term in the way the producer claimed, now can you do that or not?

 

[nicepants]

I just said, didnt I? People get rejected from their chosen colleges and Universities all the time, but dropouts arent generally seen in a positive light because it suggests the person is a quitter who cant stick with something.

The way that they presented didn't sound derogatory. Calling him a film-school reject sounds more derogatory to me. Their point essentially seemed to be that his film was successful, despite his level of education, it wasn't an attack.

Then you must have read me talking about the claim that jewish workers were warned on 911. Tell me, how did the show present this claim?

I would have to refer to the video....do you have an approximate timestamp?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

No he didn't imply it means something else in the UK than it does in the US. Just that its what it implies in the UK where he is from and familiar with. The implication being that maybe because of Jone's reaction that maybe it doesn't mean the same thing in the US, thought it clearly does. But Jones, being a con artist was simply looking for anything he could to dismiss the documentary and of course the ony thing he could find was a sad discrepancy in the guys wording.

But once again, you are stretching reality to absurdity. And as already pointed out, this can be further proven by you trying to pretend that the term of a drop out is somehow bad as opposed to him really being more of a reject. If anything, this can only be seen as the producer trying to up-play his direction, not down-play.

Either way, the reason Dylan comes out looking bad is because of his OWN claims, not the producers. And you know this.

 

[Edx]

No he didn't imply it means something else in the UK than it does in the US. Just that its what it implies in the UK where he is from and familiar with.

The implication being that maybe because of Jone's reaction that maybe it doesn't mean the same thing in the US, thought it clearly does. But Jones, being a con artist was simply looking for anything he could to dismiss the documentary and of course the ony thing he could find was a sad discrepancy in the guys wording.

But once again, you are stretching reality to absurdity. And as already pointed out, this can be further proven by you trying to pretend that the term of a drop out is somehow bad as opposed to him really being more of a reject. If anything, this can only be seen as the producer trying to up-play his direction, not down-play.

Either way, the reason Dylan comes out looking bad is because of his OWN claims, not the producers. And you know this.

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I have asked repeatedly for you to show me places where they actually use the term in the way the producer claimed, now can you do that or not?

 

[8den]

I just said, didnt I? People get rejected from their chosen colleges and Universities all the time,

Oh this is [rule10]ing ridiculous. Do you know how effing hard it is to get kicked out of film school? Provided you turn up, fling an attempt at an essay at your tutors close enough to the dealine, and maybe come.

but dropouts arent generally seen in a positive light because it suggests the person is a quitter who cant stick with something.

Gosh, do you think Dylan should have thought about this when he described himself as a drop out

 

[Edx]

Oh this is [rule10]ing ridiculous. Do you know how effing hard it is to get kicked out of film school? Provided you turn up, fling an attempt at an essay at your tutors close enough to the dealine, and maybe come.

As someone said earlier on the facts speak for themselves. Indeed, theres no need for misrepresenting your opponant if you're right.

Gosh, do you think Dylan should have thought about this when he described himself as a drop out

He didnt, thats the point.

 

[beachnut]

I disagree with the wording because he wasnt a drop out and in defence the producer tried to pretend the word implied something else in the UK than it does in the US. Its the defence that makes it even worse, because it shows how low the producer is.

You are right no one will know the truth, Dylan is too dirt dumb not to be considered a dropout; you need to help him. The producer was protecting our school system from shame? Thank you producer. It must be hard, how many times after Dylan opens his mouth does someone say, "the BBC said he was a dropout and it shows". I was saying it for the entire Loose Change video; "how can a someone be so dirt dumb, has to be a dropout."

By getting all hung up on a dirt dumb false ideas pusher like Dylan, no wonder you use Alex Jones as your source for what ever.

No wonder they left out Thermite Jones.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Copy/paste

I have asked repeatedly for you to show me places where they actually use the term in the way the producer claimed, now can you do that or not?

WTF?!?! Are you joking? Did you NOT see the dictionary meaning? Now you are trying to argue on it being valued based on it being well used in documentation?

How about this, I will do that for you when you prove beyond any doubt that the intent was to slander or mislead people. Please prove to us that his intent was unarguably to belittle Dylan by up playing his situation instead of revealing that he was rejected.