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Failure mode in WTC towers

You are not a skeptic you are a truther. You post the ultra stupid "squib" photo, which had no sound of blast from an explosive, and no blast effects, but does have ALL the characteristics of air pressure, not blast pressure. You also FAILED to tell us how many floors have fallen. Can you tell me what floor that is? Your small charges would not even blow out a window would they, and they are of course silent as a mouse.

I didn't call it a "squib", you did. You said it was air pressure and I asked you to show that. I also politely pointed out your mistakes, which you ignore and respond by calling me a liar and stupid. For a second there, I thought you were actually going to engage an issue.
 
On the lowest WTC2 "squib"

GregoryUrich:

Can you link the video that still comes from? Maybe it's just me, but that looks like a streetlight. I'd assume the "squib" is more noticeable in full motion.


jhunter,

These posts of mine show the video, and discuss the lowest "squib":

That ain't no squib! That's just a wisp of aluminum-oxide.

A discussion of the lower ejections from WTC2.


Beachnut:

Do you think you could upgrade from B&W to 8-colors? You make out as if there are only two options: explosives or pressure. There is a third option.

Max
 
I recently read about a women's college basketball team that didn't allow the opponent a field goal for the entire game, and won by over 100 points. This thread is like that.
 
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I recently read about a women's college basketball team that didn't allow the opponent a field goal for the entire game, and won by over 100 points. This thread is like that.


Field goal? Basketball? Maybe some of the posters in this thread are more like those who wrote the press release where you read that description. ;)
 
I recently read about a women's college basketball team that didn't allow the opponent a field goal for the entire game, and won by over 100 points. This thread is like that.

Your mention of the Globetrotters, women's college roundball, and massacres on the court reminded me of the All American Red Heads. My grandfather had the (mis?)fortune to play against them once, when he was on the team at U of Denver, before being drafted in WW2.

He said the AARH's beat the heck out of them -- literally. With strict officiating and fair play, he thought it would have been a good close game.

Anyway, welcome back. Hope you had fun at TAM.
 
Field goal? Basketball? Maybe some of the posters in this thread are more like those who wrote the press release where you read that description. ;)
Hey, get your head out of Tom Brady's locker! Successful basketball shots that aren't free throws are called field goals. Honest.

Your mention of the Globetrotters, women's college roundball, and massacres on the court reminded me of the All American Red Heads. My grandfather had the (mis?)fortune to play against them once, when he was on the team at U of Denver, before being drafted in WW2.

He said the AARH's beat the heck out of them -- literally. With strict officiating and fair play, he thought it would have been a good close game.
Some sassy photos on that site!

Anyway, welcome back. Hope you had fun at TAM.
Thanks. I slept a total of four hours over two days, had an absolute blast and definitely plan to make TAM 6. Highly recommended.
 
Yes.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Hey, get your head out of Tom Brady's locker! Successful basketball shots that aren't free throws are called field goals. Honest.


Harumph, I sit corrected. I will have to start paying attention to the NBA again once the Super Bowl is over. (Let's see, foul shots 1 point, inside shots 2 points, outside the arc 3 points. Field goals 3 points, TD's 6 points with either a 1 point kick or 2 point conversion. I think I am straight on this now.)

YES...bash that Tom Brady Gravy!


Double harumph and pooh all over you.
 
D'oh! Must be bedtime. Are CFL rules the same as the NFL?

No, not all of them. There are several similarities and several differences.

For instance, there is no wussy "fair catch" rule in the CFL. :)

ETA: And yes, it is time for bed, but what the hell.
 
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And don't forget the veeeery rare 1 pt for kicking the ball through the uprights on kickoff.
 
Update to curioso #2: Norseman,

I tend to agree with you but I couldn't find a decent photo from a different angle to verify. I think you have the best images available.



Curioso #2 updated:


I claim that much of the west facade of the North Tower fell away from the tower as a single connected sheet of largely unbuckled perimeter prefab sections.


The top of the sheet is from about the 90th floor and the sides of the sheet are near the corners. This means that the spandrel plate connections and the column-to-column bolt connections stayed largely intact until hitting or just before hitting the ground.


Curioso #3, coming next, will show the exact same thing happened to the South Tower west facade.



Proof:


Consider the group of visible interconnected perimeter sections seen falling from the west side of WTC 1 in the following group of photos.


east_wall_peeling.jpg




The intactness of the visible perimeter columns and ESPECIALLY THE TRAJECTORY of these columns means that they are not in freefall. They are being pushed outwards by the intact and unbuckled perimeter columns on which they are resting.


They are clearly being pushed out by something that is hidden within the dust.


The following 3 short, high quality video clips all show the entire west wall peeling outwards, largely intact.

All you have to do is project the falling large sheet of west wall backwards to see the top column sections are from the 90, 92nd floor.


Zoomed close up, from the north. The camera moves downward capturing the "collapse front". Good clip to study west facade perimeter "peeling". It seems the whole west face is falling intact away from the building.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4403782985204207676&hl=en



Looking up from the northwest corner, the clip begins after collapse initiation. You can clearly see the building peeling outwards from both the west and north sides, leaving a group of core columns standing.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6021244456693100578&hl=en


Collapse from northwest, about 1 mile away. Perimeter column "peeling" away from a still standing "spire" is clearly seen.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2819946654236238666



The trajectory of the visible pieces as they fall outward means they are not in freefall.

The trajectory is consistent with being the top of a much larger interconnected sheet that peels away from the building as a single sheet.



Next I'll show the same thing happened along the mysterious east face of the South Tower, but the columns on top of that sheet are from the 80th to 78th floors.
 
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Curioso #3: There is evidence that the east facade of WTC 2 from the 80th floor downwards fell as an interconnected single sheet of unbuckled perimeter column sections. The spandrel plate connections and column-to-column bolt connections remained largely intact until far into it's fall or upon hitting the ground.



Proof:



In the following photo please notice the location of the mechanical room relative to floor 81 where the inward belding will form.


mech_room.jpg


The mechanical room has noticably higher ceilings than the other floors both above and below.

I believe I have located where a number of perimeter columns of this mechanical room were found in the rubble, shown below.


mech_room_perimeter.jpg





These perimeter columns are clearly speared into the earth.

They were pushed outwards and fell close to 80 floors. They were then speared into the earth with obvious extreme force.

Despite this, they held up well and exhibit no noticable buckling along their lengths.

As odd as that may seem, it is the location at which they were found that is even more surprising.

The following 2 photos will help us identify their location.

mech_room_perimeter_2.jpg



mech_room_perimeter_3.jpg




These columns were located on the edge of the street on the other side of WTC 4.

They were some of the farthest columns spotted in that direction.

Lets look at a map of the complex.


wtc_map.jpg





These columns cleared the entire WTC 4 building and ended up speared into the ground on the edge of the street.


The following video clip shows a large sheet of intact perimeter columns seen falling away from the building after the "upper block" had escaped view.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLHGLI1Ihv0


Please note the visible perimeter sheet at 0:17 of this 0:21 second clip.

This sheet is the intact perimeter columns of the LOWER BLOCK falling outwards. It is not in freefall. It is being pushed outwards just as if it is just the top of an intact sheet peeling away from the building.

It is easy to see that the top columns are from the 78, 80th floor area. Therefore we expect to find (and do find) the tops of these columns among the farthest displaced debris directly to the east.


Once again, no collective buckling seen among the members of this sheet as they are seen in the rubble. The single sheet peeling away means that perimeter connections largely survived the initial peeling process.

The connections seemed to "fail" just along the collapse initiation area and along the 2 edges of the east facade, hence the single sheet.
 

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