Just what the world needs - Another Bigfoot thread

[The Atheist]

There certainly are! We call them Yowies down here. They are, unfortunately close to extinction, because the Dropbears have got most of them.

Norm

Those drop-bears are DEADLY.

 

[rats]

...snip... *rats asks questions in surprise reaction to some responses on this thread*

I apologise if this post caused offence, none was intended. The purpose of my questions was to ascertain whether to devote time to catching up on the bigfoot threads, and what to expect if I ventured there.

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I would say not most of the time but a lot of time. There are also discussions on paleontology, antropology, etc.

Thanks for your responses there, you make the discussions sound rather interesting.

The 'wookie' is not in the same category. Wookies are a fabrication of the Star Wars movies. I think it cheapens this thread to include them with more legitimate, big hairy ape-like creatures

Yet, it does make one wonder if big-foot can operate a space craft.

(I'm a bit surprised that they can surf, actually)

Yeah, that probably needed a winking smile thing as I was trying to bring in a little levity. Don't worry folks, I won't be attempting any more jokes!

 

[Correa Neto]

Sometimes it gets interesting... But nowadays quite often we're just repeating answers to questions and arguments posed a long time ago at a galaxy far, far away...

Aniway, another interesting approach is to observe the minds of believers. Its such a small community that one can get relatively used to many the key players. There are lessons to be learned; I think a PhD thesis or two could be made on this line.

 

[quarky]

No way I'm ever reading through all the big-foot stuff, and no doubt its been mentioned before, but there have been some new mamallian species discoveries in recent years. A few monkeys; a deer. I found this truly amazing. I would have guessed that all the mammals on earth had been named 50 years ago.

this is in no way an endorsement of big-foot.

 

[Spektator]

Just a little observation: I recently caught a "MonsterQuest" show on the History Channel devoted to gigantopithecus and floating the idea that bigfoot, the yeti, et al. are the descendants of giganto (as the program called him).

They offered Theodore Roosevelt's "encounter" with a bigfoot as evidence, but did a frankly shoddy job of it, amounting to a grossly misleading interpretation. The narrator said that Roosevelt wrote in his diary of an 1890 encounter with bigfoot. He did not; the material is not taken from his diary at all, but loosely and carelessly paraphrased from Roosevelt's 1893 book The Wilderness Hunter. In fact, in 1890 TR was in Washington, serving on the United States Civil Service Commission, and he made no extended hunting expeditions, dividing his time between Washington, D.C. and his home in Oyster Bay, New York.

Early on in the "bigfoot encounter" recreation, the show quotes Roosevelt's "1890 diary entry" as saying, "I can either be President of the United States, or I can control Alice; I cannot do both!" But TR would not be President until 1901, and his daughter Alice was only six years old in 1890, hardly a control problem (not true when she was seventeen, however!). The remnant of the re-enactment suggested that some roaring beast came lumbering into Roosevelt's camp; it wasn't shown on camera, but you saw the actor portraying Roosevelt reacting as the voice-over (a paraphrase from Wilderness Hunter) described the horrific sounds the intruder made. The bit concluded with Roosevelt telling his companion, "This is a night we shall always remember!"

But the whole point of the chapter in Roosevelt's book was that the normal sounds of nature in the high passes--the wind in the trees, the sound of a distant avalanche, and so on--were all of ordinary origin, though weird and spooky sounding, so spooky that Roosevelt said he undertood why "people who live in lonely forest regions are prone to believe in elves, wood spirits, and other beings" (467). He saw nothing; he heard only natural, explicable sounds. The TV show's recreation is at odds with what TR actually reported--is in fact a travesty of the actual report.

 

[Locknar]

Just a little observation: I recently caught a "MonsterQuest" show on the History Channel devoted to gigantopithecus and floating the idea that bigfoot, the yeti, et al. are the descendants of giganto (as the program called him).

They offered Theodore Roosevelt's "encounter" with a bigfoot as evidence, but did a frankly shoddy job of it, amounting to a grossly misleading interpretation. The narrator said that Roosevelt wrote in his diary of an 1890 encounter with bigfoot. He did not; the material is not taken from his diary at all, but loosely and carelessly paraphrased from Roosevelt's 1893 book The Wilderness Hunter. In fact, in 1890 TR was in Washington, serving on the United States Civil Service Commission, and he made no extended hunting expeditions, dividing his time between Washington, D.C. and his home in Oyster Bay, New York.

Early on in the "bigfoot encounter" recreation, the show quotes Roosevelt's "1890 diary entry" as saying, "I can either be President of the United States, or I can control Alice; I cannot do both!" But TR would not be President until 1901, and his daughter Alice was only six years old in 1890, hardly a control problem (not true when she was seventeen, however!). The remnant of the re-enactment suggested that some roaring beast came lumbering into Roosevelt's camp; it wasn't shown on camera, but you saw the actor portraying Roosevelt reacting as the voice-over (a paraphrase from Wilderness Hunter) described the horrific sounds the intruder made. The bit concluded with Roosevelt telling his companion, "This is a night we shall always remember!"

But the whole point of the chapter in Roosevelt's book was that the normal sounds of nature in the high passes--the wind in the trees, the sound of a distant avalanche, and so on--were all of ordinary origin, though weird and spooky sounding, so spooky that Roosevelt said he undertood why "people who live in lonely forest regions are prone to believe in elves, wood spirits, and other beings" (467). He saw nothing; he heard only natural, expicable sounds. The TV show's recreation is at odds with what TR actually reported--is in fact a travesty of the actual report.

It would be interesting to point this out to the History Channel folks, or the producer of the show, and see what they say.

Shoddy, or even false, evidence (such as getting the whole Teddy issue wrong) does not lend credence to their claims.

 

[Dfoot]

It would be interesting to point this out to the History Channel folks, or the producer of the show, and see what they say.

Shoddy, or even false, evidence (such as getting the whole Teddy issue wrong) does not lend credence to their claims.

So what happened was that TR wasn't really killed by the campfire (by what could only be a Bigfoot, although no one actually saw it) he was, in fact, killed by Bigfoot when his body vanished after skiing wildly off a cliff while attempting to evade the Bigfeet (that no one actually saw).

The later story has a chase scene involved. I'm spreading that one.

(*The part of the Bigfootologist has been portrayed by Dfoot. Any resemblance to real life Bigfootologists is completely unintentional*)

 

[uruk]

Step 1. Get off lazy arse
Step 2. Find courage
Step 3. Go to dark forest after midnight with flash digital camera
Step 4 Listen
Step 5. Take pictures
Step 6. Run like hell out of there.

Seeing as you are rather solid in your conviction as to the existance of Big foot (bigfeet?)
and that you have recomended this particular method of gathering evidence on the existance of bigfeet, I am going to assume that you have tried this method out for yourself with some success. (Otherwise why would have offered it as a viable method of Bigfoot detection unless you were successful at it. That is, unless you pulled this out of your posterior.)

So, let see your pictures.

 

[madurobob]

...So, let see your pictures.

You've seen them. His avatar is one.

Did you skip the part where bigfoot are invisible, but sometimes can be seen and photographed as "spirit orbs"?

 

[William Parcher]

It would be interesting to point this out to the History Channel folks, or the producer of the show, and see what they say.

Shoddy, or even false, evidence (such as getting the whole Teddy issue wrong) does not lend credence to their claims.

Is the truth about TR more important than revenue for the History Channel? Do they often run corrections of their programs (like newspapers will do if they print a wrong name, etc.)? Did any of the paying advertisers on the History Channel ask for a refund because MQ was not accurate in what they said about Teddy?

 

[Spektator]

I've emailed the History Channel; I doubt I'll get a response, but if I do, I'll let you know. Meanwhile a surprise: I did not have time to read all of Jack Lapseritis' book Psychic Sasquatch, but when I took it back to our college library (I got it on interlibrary loan from a North Carolina library), I was told, "Keep it!" The N.C. library had included a note when they sent the book: "This was a gift and has never been checked out. We don't regard it as a worthwhile volume and have deleted it from our records. The patron may keep the copy."

So I can finish reading it! I'm learning all sorts of things. Bigfoot's urgent message to a Texan: Tell everyone "Love is God, God is Love." (Later this Texan is present when a fishing vessel in the Gulf brings up a four-foot tall amphibious sentient humanoid creature with lobster-claw hands that is immediately commandeered by the U.S. Coast Guard, along with all evidence, photographic and otherwise, that the creature existed.)

Another informant says that bigfoot is extraordinarily gentle and loves people. One of them, she says, "Often threatened to kill me."

One informant says bigfoot is 100% human and evolved alongside us. Another one says they are extraterrestrial, with no relationship to us. Another one says they are "physical-ethereal" beings, spirits rather than material.

On one page, the author says he knows of 76 eyewitnesses, and adds, "I am one of the 76 percipients who experienced the psychic Sasquatch." On the next page, he says "I and 76 others" have experienced the psychic Sasquatch. All of the eyewitness accounts seem to be anonymous or pseudonymous; some locations are not exactly pinpointed ("This took place west of the Rocky Mountains...."). Lapseritis has a rather detailed chapter about a fellow whom bigfoot led to a cave in the Cascade range; in the cave was a massive underground city, populated by Skypeople (tall and gracile), short extraterrestrials (gray-skinned, four feet tall), Sasquatches, and others. It is a huge place. Lapseritis gets directions to the cavern, makes a grueling climb...and there's no cavern opening there. He can't find the underground metropolis. Was it all just a fantasy of the witnesses', he asks; and he answers that he cannot say.

There is one sentence, from a pseudonymous woman, claiming that bigfoot contacted Jimmy Carter. No support at all is offered.

Although the author claims 76 eyewitnesses (or maybe 77), I can count only about half that number in the stories he relays.

Finally, it's interesting (probably only to me) that Lapseritis talks about one bigfoot outbreak in a specific location in North Carolina in a year when I not only lived in that exact area, but also had a lot of free time and hiked along the Appalachian Trail, went camping numerous times, and met an awful lot of hikers, fishermen, and hunters, all of them with stories of their experiences and none of whom mentioned any awareness of the elusive Sasquatch. In fact, I didn't even know the whole area was densely populated by the critters the very year I was living there--nothing in the papers, and nothing on the news!

 

[William Parcher]

Aniway, another interesting approach is to observe the minds of believers. Its such a small community that one can get relatively used to many the key players. There are lessons to be learned; I think a PhD thesis or two could be made on this line.

One thesis could be on the Economics of Bigfootery. It's a subculture with a mostly internal economy, and there are dots to connect with cash transactions as the driver. Want the LMS DVD on your hard drive? You have to send cash to Doug Hajicek (White Wolf Productions). Want to see Scott Herriott's Bigfoot encounter on the Klamath hillside? You have to send cash to Scott. Want to see the braid worn by Patty? You have to send cash to Pat Holbrook (Grendel Films producer of the MK Davis findings).

Attempts to influence the Economy of Bigfootery? Yes. Soon after the publication of Greg Long's book there was a grassroots attempt on BFF to dissuade Bigfooters from buying this book. They even suggested the best plan was to share already purchased copies. Why? Because buying the book as new put cash into the hands of a man who wrote about the PGF being a hoax. He was declared a deluded demon, and who wants to fund that?

A thesis on Bigfootery Economics must also address determined attempts to shift profits away from PGF skeptics who sell things that support the hoax theory. Good stuff.

 

[quarky]

Again, not to sound like big-foot's defender, but I've spent the last 40 years in near wilderness, and done quite a bit of hiking and camping and extended canoe trips...and I've never encountered a bob-cat in the wild...much less returned with a decent picture of one.

one could hardly expect to see big-foot on a weekend expedition, if they are any where near as stealthy as a common bobcat.

(I have heard a bob-cat. Unless bigfoot makes a similar catty noise.)

Drat. It probably does sound like I'm defending bigfoot.

In reality, I doubt that the ivory-billed woodpecker still exists.
Point being, its quite difficult to sneak up on certain wildlife.
Its far easier to find scat.

Anyone got a good picture of bigfoot poo?

 

[Hitch]

Its far easier to find scat.

Anyone got a good picture of bigfoot poo?

I'm pretty sure I read in one of the threads here a report of someone observing bigfoot poo falling out of a horse. Those wily, interdimensional 'squatch sure get up to some creative tricks.

That's why we need so many bigfoot threads. You can't buy that kind of entertainment.

 

[halofish2000]

I believe creekfreak said one took a massive dump in his yard. Then it went to be a star on South Park... Hiiiiidy ho.

 

[arthwollipot]

I've emailed the History Channel; I doubt I'll get a response, but if I do, I'll let you know. Meanwhile a surprise: I did not have time to read all of Jack Lapseritis' book Psychic Sasquatch, but when I took it back to our college library (I got it on interlibrary loan from a North Carolina library), I was told, "Keep it!" The N.C. library had included a note when they sent the book: "This was a gift and has never been checked out. We don't regard it as a worthwhile volume and have deleted it from our records. The patron may keep the copy."

Oh that's gold. So much for historian's much-vaunted "evidence". A book that's so bad that even the public library doesn't want it.

Whereas Parallel Worlds by Michio Kaku in no way supports the existence of extradimensional beings on earth no matter how historian wants to distort it.

 

[Spektator]

Oh that's gold. So much for historian's much-vaunted "evidence". A book that's so bad that even the public library doesn't want it.

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I had finished the first half, which gives anecdote after anecdote of the psychic Sasquatch. Now I'm into the second half, which interprets the anecdotes' meaning. I find it odd that in many cases, Lapseritis says the witnesses didn't know what they were dealing with--even that it was a Sasquatch--until he interviewed them and told them how to get telepathic messages from bigfoot: You simply project love, and then thoughts will come into your mind which are put there by the bigfoot. They seem a varied lot: One of them, for example, though he lived in the same area year around ("I live nearby and I am always watching you") did not recognize the concepts of winter, spring, or snow, while another is well up on ancient languages and quantum physics.

And by the way, one of the author's witnesses does not conceal her identity with a pseudonym: Betty Hill, of Interrupted Journey fame. When the author asks her about her UFO encounter, she tells him about it; then when he asks, "Did you ever meet a Sasquatch," she says, essentially, "Oh, sure. They're all over the place."

 

[uruk]

You've seen them. His avatar is one.

Did you skip the part where bigfoot are invisible, but sometimes can be seen and photographed as "spirit orbs"?

I would never have guessed in a million years that that picture was of a bigfoot.

I guess I missed that part. So it seems the bigfoot camp has become so desparate that they are claiming that bigfoot has the capability of becoming invisible. I'll also add they become inconsequential and immaterial as to be nonexistant. That is untill they are photographed then they become something else like a volkswagon beatle or a 300lb woman named Frieda.

My avatar is a picture of an invisible pink unicorn. When photographed they sometime look like Homer Simpson.

 

[quarky]

I wonder if bigfoot is making crop circles? That would simplify things. It would be extra cool if bigfoots get abducted by flying saucers, and have some relationship with 'nessy'.

(I dig hybrid woo)

 

[William Parcher]

Many Bigfooters speak of real reactions (fear, chills, hair on end, can't sleep, etc) during and after reading these.

This is what I am talking about...

I'm on the skeptical side of the fence (about the PGF), but the film still makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

He is skeptical, but still mentions the profound emotional reaction when watching Patty. Others would say that this response only reinforces their own conviction that the film is authentic. This dovetails with something that is regularly cited and mentioned by Bigfooters concerning dogs. When dogs get a whiff of the horrific and disgusting smell of Bigfoot they get crazy fearful. These dogs will suddenly get very scared and want to 'run home to momma', or at least get back inside the vehicle that delivered them to this very dangerous situation. The Bigfooters already know that dogs are often attracted to stinky stuff and will actually roll around in this. But Bigfoot is something categorically different and the dogs know this.

You see, dogs are not burdened with critical thinky think and skepticism. Dogs react to, and deal with the world exactly as it is. Dogs do not read JREF, and they certainly don't hoax, lie or even believe that things like myths are true. Dogs are some kind of pure ideal of reality and proper reaction to it. If you take a dog into the wilderness and it becomes paranoid, it is because Bigfoot exists and was (or is) at that location. Any common cur has the ability to confirm that the Bigfoot skeptics are wrong!