The case against Dr. Paul

[Oliver]

Then why do your lines have only 60 characters? Do you not know how annoying that is?

I don't know about American "Sreen-reading"-standards, but the
German norm (DIN) says that 60 to 80 characters per line is the
most eye-friendly amount of Characters for Screen-reading. But
that may have changed thanks to the higher resolutions today,
I will look it up.

So you're case against Dr. Paul is that it's annoying to me to
read 3 miles long sentences on my monitor?

 

[Oliver]

The people. Sort of like how people choose candidates on the Internet except in the real world their votes matter.

That's BS - and you should know it. Giuliani was a "Front-Runner" since
the beginning ... for some stupid reasons. Fact is that the People don't
vote for him - or at least didn't do that so far.

Paul, the third tier loser - was able to beat Giuliani all the time in the
elections so far. How do you explain that if you really assume that
"We the People" have any say at all???

 

[hgc]

Now I know that Nuts like Penn Jillette&democratic Howard Stern,
[URL]http://static.youtube.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl73.gif[/URL]
Bill Maher,[URL]http://static.youtube.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl73.gif[/URL] Barry Goldwater, Jr., Judge Napolitano, David Letterman,
Tucker Carlson,[URL]http://static.youtube.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl73.gif[/URL] Chuck Baldwin,[URL]http://static.youtube.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl73.gif[/URL] Jim Cramer, Jack Cafferty and others
speak very positive about Dr. Paul or even endorse him - which makes
them all Nuts in contrast to the wise people in here.

Well there you have it. 50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong!

Is Barry Goldwater, Jr. famous for anything other than his name?

 

[Oliver]

The people determined it with their votes. And they determined that Ron Paul is a loony fringe candidate, and so "we, the people" are sending him back to Texas where he belongs.

Same question to you: Giuliani was a Front-Runner all the time,
yet the People didn't go with this "out of the Blue"- declaration.
So who decides about the "Frontrunner-or-not-label" in the first
place if the people have no say at all?

 

[Oliver]

Well there you have it. 50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong!

Is Barry Goldwater, Jr. famous for anything other than his name?

I don't even know Barry Goldwater Senior - but from what I heard,
the old Goldwater stood for the same principals Paul stands for.
What about the other examples I linked to - all nuts?

 

[hgc]

I don't even know Barry Goldwater Senior - but from what I heard,
the old Goldwater stood for the same principals Paul stands for.
What about the other examples I linked to - all nuts?

Dude, seriously. If you don't know who the guy is, what on Earth are you doing invoking his name to make your case?!?

You missed my point about the 50 million Elvis fans, I see - hence your follow-up question.

You are a pip.

 

[WildCat]

Same question to you: Giuliani was a Front-Runner all the time,

Not any more, not in a long time actually.

yet the People didn't go with this "out of the Blue"- declaration.

The people decided Rudy shouldn't ever be POTUS after learning more about him.

So who decides about the "Frontrunner-or-not-label" in the first
place if the people have no say at all?

Opinion polls, in Rudy's case ones taken long ago.

 

[Oliver]

Dude, seriously. If you don't know who the guy is, what on Earth are you doing invoking his name to make your case?!?

You missed my point about the 50 million Elvis fans, I see - hence your follow-up question.

You are a pip.

Actually - nope. I know that most "Elvis is alive believers" are coming
from the US. That's my whole point here:

Why is Paul a loser while real Idiots are the heroic Front-Runners
in the US?

Because the "Elvis believers" rule the country?

 

[Drudgewire]

Guliani was the perfect example of a media that doesn't realize people exist outside of New York City and Los Angeles.

He was never a front runner more than 20 miles away from Rockafeller Center, but since those yutzes can't grasp the world doesn't really revolve around them it made perfect sense for them to assume anyone who could win an election in New York must have a distinct advantage everywhere else.

Meanwhile nobody gave Huckabee a chance but now he's right on the verge of being a top tier candidate. Why? Because a lot of people voted for him in the primaries and caucuses... something they DIDN'T do with Ron Paul, making him a third tier candidate who plays big with teenagers and non-Americans.

Problem is, folks under 18 and people that don't live in the US aren't allowed to vote in our Presidential elections. Wait, that's not really a problem.

 

[Oliver]

Not any more, not in a long time actually.

The people decided Rudy shouldn't ever be POTUS after learning more about him.

Opinion polls, in Rudy's case ones taken long ago.

So you're implying that "the People" actually thought that
Giuliani is a frontrunner but surprisingly found out he isn't?

But seriously - you're implying that Americans don't look up
their Frontrunners seriously enough if they switch otherwise
some months later.

So why is Paul a third-tier candidate? That was the case
already when there wasn't any polls at all.

(Besides the fact that Polls executed by the Parties itself are
a laughing stock on it's own). No sarcasm here.

 

[Oliver]

Guliani was the perfect example of a media that doesn't realize people exist outside of New York City and Los Angeles.

He was never a front runner more than 20 miles away from Rockafeller Center, but since those yutzes can't grasp the world doesn't really revolve around them it made perfect sense for them to assume anyone who could win an election in New York must have a distinct advantage everywhere else.

Meanwhile nobody gave Huckabee a chance but now he's right on the verge of being a top tier candidate. Why? Because a lot of people voted for him in the primaries and caucuses... something they DIDN'T do with Ron Paul, making him a third tier candidate who plays big with teenagers and non-Americans.

Problem is, folks under 18 and people that don't live in the US aren't allowed to vote in our Presidential elections. Wait, that's not really a problem.

That's not true - Huckabee was declared as a "Front-Runner" since
December, therefore long before the IOWA caucuses. I don't know why
the Media pushed him this way, but the People surely weren't involved
in any way taking his support into account at the time:

Or how do you explain this fact? :

http://ronpaulgraphs.com/rp_vs_huck_q4.png

 

[Drudgewire]

That's not true - Huckabee was declared as a "Front-Runner" since
December, therefore long before the IOWA caucuses. I don't know why
the Media pushed him this way, but the People surely weren't involved
in any way taking his support into account at the time:

Or how do you explain this fact? :

http://ronpaulgraphs.com/rp_vs_huck_q4.png

Both Huck and RP have been campaigning since long before December. One got support from people that can actually vote, one got support from people who like to act like oafs in public and on the Internet and make his candidacy look crazier than his policies or newsletters do.

And regardless of how anyone else moved up or down the ladder, Paul has remained entrenched on the bottom rung. That's what happens in a "free country" to candidates who the vast majority of people don't want to vote for.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Oliver, how do you stand on Ron Paul creating legislation to make the moment of conception, 'life'? How does that factor into his upholding of the constitution?

 

[Oliver]

Both Huck and RP have been campaigning since long before December. One got support from people that can actually vote, one got support from people who like to act like oafs in public and on the Internet and make his candidacy look crazier than his policies or newsletters do.

And regardless of how anyone else moved up or down the ladder, Paul has remained entrenched on the bottom rung. That's what happens in a "free country" to candidates who the vast majority of people don't want to vote for.

I'm actually following the race very closely to learn more about
the US-definition of a republics democracy - and I can tell you
that Huckabee was named a Front-Runner over night after the
CNN-Youtube debate:

Huckabee New Front Runner

Mike Huckabee is currently leading the Republican field according to a new poll released today from Rasmussen Reports.

Huckabee is on top with 20% with Giuliani hitting an all time low of 17%. McCain and Romney are at 13%, Fred Thompson 10% and Ron Paul has 7%.

So how do you explain the fact that someone who isn't able to
earn a third of his contributions can be called a front-runner while
someone who earns more then three times is a third-party candidate?

Because the "independent" Party-polls say that? Are you Americans
poll-blinded?

From what I remember, the money being raised in the former elections
where an indicator for how successful an candidate is - and now, all
of a sudden, this changed?

Say's who?

Personally I don't believe in Polls about the popularity of Scientology
sponsored by Scientology. Why do you believe in Polls sponsored by
the Parties itself - rather than taking neutral polls into account?

How stupid is that?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Aw, now Oliver is ignoring me...

 

[Drudgewire]

Let me ask you, what does a party have to gain by pumping up their polls with a candidate who doesn't really have that much support? "Hey, nobody likes this guy but if we can manipulate our base to make him our nominee we'll... ummm... get soundly trounced in the general election by the other side. GREAT PLAN, BREAK OUT THE KEG GUYS!!"

 

[Oliver]

Oliver, how do you stand on Ron Paul creating legislation to make the moment of conception, 'life'? How does that factor into his upholding of the constitution?

Are you talking about amending the constitution via a bill that
clarifies that in America born children shouldn't get the citizenship
automatically? (If illegals beget the child)

Or are you referring to Paul's religious stance - that he doesn't
want to push - and never pushed in the past according to his
records?

 

[Oliver]

Let me ask you, what does a party have to gain by pumping up their polls with a candidate who doesn't really have that much support? "Hey, nobody likes this guy but if we can manipulate our base to make him our nominee we'll... ummm... get soundly trounced in the general election by the other side. GREAT PLAN, BREAK OUT THE KEG GUYS!!"

The problem is that Paul does and did get more financial support
than the by the Media declared "Front-Runners". Or did you hear
the Mainstream Media ever mention Paul's program and Ideas?

No. He's a loser - period. " **** deocracy, we (the media) say
he has no chance, therefore he will go away ".

Didn't work this time.

American elections are about Hair-Cut's and the race&female card...

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Or are you referring to Paul's religious stance - that he doesn't
want to push - and never pushed in the past according to his
records?

And he doesn't push this by attempting to get 'life' called the moment of conception? Got it.

 

[Oliver]

And he doesn't push this by attempting to get 'life' called the moment of conception? Got it.

Seriously - what are you referring to? Paul said that it's the
States call to handle those things. What don't you understand
about that???