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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Jeez! What idiot would claim that as mouth movement?

It's clearly Patty noise merging with background noise.

Why would an ear move like that?

They apparently think Patty can open her mouth within one film frame...
 
If you look closely at more animations in that same MonsterQuest clip you will see that they have drawn a cartoonish face on Patty. Even that morphs and gets all kooky looking. Swindler says he sees the eyelids move up and down.

It's sad to see this state of desperation from the PGF believers. Poor Daris. Nobody ever told him about PGF pareidolia. He sits and talks to the camera like a dupe. Davis will show you the hair braid and the bone clasp that holds it. It's just awesome.

With MonsterQuest, Hajicek shows us all the worthless state that Bigfootery finds itself in. What a debacle.
 
I love it how someone trots out the curled fingers of 352 every few weeks/months ..

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=21518

We get an astute obsevation:

I would suggest, however, that if this were merely a defect, that the probability of the defect both occurring at a particular place on the film, in a very distinct shape, AND having the same dimensions of what that shape would be mimicking would be very, very low.

Then the regular contributors, who have been down this road countless times before, proceed to show that it is in fact an artifact ..


Of course, curled fingers, just like the bending kind, would prove beyond a doubt the subject is a real life Bigus Footus ..:rolleyes:
 
Murphy's History of the PGF said:
They packed up and left for Yakima at about 4:00 a.m., October 21, 1967.

Gimlin to Green 1992 said:
About 5:30 a.m. or so it started raining and it was just pouring down rain. I told Roger we better get up and do something about the tracks or they'd wash out...

Again you get at least two different fruits to pick from the PGF Tree of Historical Facts.
 
It must have been quite a sight to see Gimlin filming Patterson pouring plaster into the Patty tracks. He's wearing a wig and has a Kodak in one hand and his rifle in the other. Of course those cowboys would be anticipating an ambush on the sandbar by those big son-of-a-bucks. Ole Trusty must have never been more than arms length from Gimlin after Patty showed up. Roger, did you see the size of that thing? The males must be even bigger. I bet they slept with their rifles that night. LOL
 
Here is a segment from MonsterQuest - Bigfoot. From that link you can see the whole program.

Is the footage of "Bigfoot" walking through tall grass at the end of the video the footage of Tube in a costume that was mentioned over in the Monsterquest thread? If so, he was way too hard on how his performance was in it.

This also reminds me of a claim that "the thigh bump" is just a film artifact over at one of the Munns BFF threads. If this is the case, it means that a
film defect was able to fool the person (anatomist?) who noticed it and declared it to be some sort of muscular adaptation for such a heavy creature. Couldn't it be possible that the moving muscles are also film artifacts/defects/etc? I noticed some comments suggesting this over at a cryptozoology.com thread and wondered what others had to say on the subject.

Other cryptozoology.com goodies:

Primate butt vs. Patty.

An example of short Dynel fur.

Someone claims that Bob H. was filmed in a Bigfoot costume for Roger's aborted movie and that's why he's lying about being Patty.

Ivan Marx's "cripplefoot" film fools a new generation.
 
If the Patty walk is no more than 23', then Green does have more than 23'. Noll mentioned on BFF that Green has at least one riding scene. Add that to the 23' feet, and add even more if Green has the stomp test, plaster pour and cast display.



LOL. Noll knows that you are a strong PGF skeptic. Nothing good can come from providing you with any information that has not already been given. You just use it to discredit the film.



Then Green got more film than he did.

If you can get a hold of the 1998 BBC show called 'The X Creatures' it has John Green showing his reel of film on a projector. It starts with scenes of Roger and Bob riding the bluff and it suddenly turns to Patty. What is not shown from his reel is anyones guess, perhaps Green could say. I tried a Youtube search but did not find it.
 
Thanks for that info, Geno. I wish I could watch that program.

I no longer want to hear something like "scenes of Roger and Bob riding the bluff". It's because I've already seen errors made in trying to identify riders and their location. I want to see it for myself. Scenes described as P&G riding at Bluff Creek might turn out to be more footage of Heironimus & Merritt in Washington. I would be especially interested in seeing any footage of Gimlin in any location. I have read about him being filmed, but never seen any of that.
 
I just found this short but recent interview with Jeff Meldrum.

It seems that Meldrum is giving the thumbs-up to Caddy's Patty face pareidolia.

John Prindle: Have you ever seen a first generation copy of the PGF? If so, does it differ dramatically from the poorly digitized copies seen on YouTube?

Jeff Meldrum: John Green commissioned a project undertaken by Rick Noll to digitally microphotograph a first generation copy of the original PGF. Owen Caddy has presented publicly on the history of this project and his analysis of the facial details evident upon color-channel splitting of the images. MK Davis has also done extensive examinations of the digital images generated by Noll, including some very interesting stabilized gifs of several successive steps prior to the lower legs being obscured by the jumbled debris in the foreground.

JP: D.W. Grieve, an anatomist, studied the PGF in 1971. His analysis can be found in an appendix to John Napier’s Bigfoot: The Yeti and Sasquatch in Myth and Reality. His most striking statement, in my opinion, is this: My subjective impressions have oscillated between total acceptance of the Sasquatch based on the grounds that the film would be difficult to fake, to one of irrational rejection based on an emotional response to the possibility that the Sasquatch actually exists…” Do you feel that this is the case with the PGF?… one of outright rejection because it simply can’t be true?

JM: For many critics, this seems to be the case. E.g., skeptical costume artists say it is obviously a costume, and yet they are unable to point to any comparable examples and they are unable to mount a convincing effort to recreate the costume themselves. The more it (the PGF) is scrutinized, the more compelling details emerge.
 
Atomic - There is a very good reason that JANOS claimed he didn't know where they could find a man big enough to fit that suit when he worked with guys the proposed height of Patty everyday. I'll bet you can guess the reason.;)

Yeah, his rather convenient memory lapse of working with guys like Buck Maffei is extremely suspect.

Not that Olson knew anything.... but the guy who recorded that approximation of a Bigfoot yell sure did. You know? Patterson's bucket cry that is now called the "Washington State recording of a Bigfoot". Seriously.

Oh, I can believe it. You can see my research on the matter and which animal I think is really responsible for the "Bigfoot yell" here. I could be remembering this wrong, but didn' you say that Patterson might've based his recreation off of a recording done by Wallace over at the BFF? If so, can you please provide me with some more info about that?

Also note the upside down shoulder muscle. Classic.:D

It always disappoints me that no proponent has tried responding to this. The silence is deafening.
 
As one of JREF's most respected members is fond of saying:

:confused:

I've yet to see anyone do a recreation of the original H.R. Pufnstuf costume that looked and moved just like the original. The company responsbile for the original show started using a different, ugly-looking suit for cameos by the character on other shows by them and a costume made for an appearance on "My Name is Earl" used a rigid head with a non-moving mouth.

Similarly, the strange baby prop seen in the movie "Eraserhead" has never been duplicated. In fact, nobody but the director (David Lynch) seems to know how it was created. I'm afraid that's as much as I can tell you without using links.
 
I've yet to see anyone do a recreation of the original H.R. Pufnstuf costume that looked and moved just like the original. The company responsbile for the original show started using a different, ugly-looking suit for cameos by the character on other shows by them and a costume made for an appearance on "My Name is Earl" used a rigid head with a non-moving mouth.

Similarly, the strange baby prop seen in the movie "Eraserhead" has never been duplicated. In fact, nobody but the director (David Lynch) seems to know how it was created. I'm afraid that's as much as I can tell you without using links.

Your costume analysis is well informed. You seem to have a lot of insight into suit making, and even connections in the business. So c'mon, if some costume maker did make the PGF suit, surely people in the business would know who, how, and when the suit was made (by now).
 
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