Intelligent Design support letter to the editor

[rjh01]

Here is an article that says that in one case cancer is not part of the animal it infects.

Since Pearse and her colleagues finished the original study, they've analyzed chromosomes in 15 more animals, and all the tumors have shown the same distinctive anomalies. This result bolsters the theory that one rogue cell line was the original infective agent, Pearse says

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I think this cancer has the characteristics of life.

 

[Radrook]

The following letter to the editor appeared today in the Orlando Sentinel. At first, I was thinking "Another----------- idiot" and then..... Enjoy!!!:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/letters/orl-le06_308jan06,0,1896306,print.story

Very interestingly ironic way of saying things. Of course his assumptions are all skewed since they are describing post-Adamic fall conditions which are not atrributable to God. But in view of his typically profound unfamiliarity with the essentials of the subject-such ideas are to be expected.

BTW

Funny that you should mention the term idiot which is very close to the word fool.

Psalm 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

 

[quixotecoyote]

And LO there was post 23. And so did post 23 say, "Only fools shall say to themselves, 'I disbelieve in post 23,'" and therefore indeed, post 23 is the truth, the light, and the way.

 

[RobRoy]

And LO there was post 23. And so did post 23 say, "Only fools shall say to themselves, 'I disbelieve in post 23,'" and therefore indeed, post 23 is the truth, the light, and the way.

Which calls to mind the following lovely exchange from Red Dwarf's Rimmer and Lister:

RIMMER: Everyone's entitled to their beliefs, Lister. I never agreed
with my parent's religion, but I wouldn't dream of knocking it.
LISTER: What were they?
RIMMER: Seventh day advent hoppists. They believed that every Sunday
should be spent hopping. They would hop to church, hop through the
service, then hop back home again.
LISTER: What was the idea behind that, then?
RIMMER: Well you see, they took the Bible literally. Adam and Eve; the
snake and the apple... Took it word for word. Unfortunately, their
version had a misprint. It was all based on 1 Corinthians 13, where it
says "Faith, hop and charity, and the greatest of these is hop." So
that's what they did. Every seventh day. I tell you, Sunday
lunchtimes were a nightmare. Hopping round the table, serving soup --
we all had to wear sou'esters and asbestos underpants.

I'm only surprised they didn't go the other way, and drink beer every sunday. Now that's a religion I could get into. The Catholics have never had enough wine in their chalice for me, and what are crackers without some cheese to top it off?

 

[Radrook]

And LO there was post 23. And so did post 23 say, "Only fools shall say to themselves, 'I disbelieve in post 23,'" and therefore indeed, post 23 is the truth, the light, and the way.

No truth or consequences ploy being attempted. Only a reminder that the sword cuts both ways in terms of categorizing people as idiots. Of course I didn't have to cite scripture-but I'm funny that way sometimes. : )

 

[Radrook]

Which calls to mind the following lovely exchange from Red Dwarf's Rimmer and Lister:

RIMMER: Everyone's entitled to their beliefs, Lister. I never agreed
with my parent's religion, but I wouldn't dream of knocking it.
LISTER: What were they?
RIMMER: Seventh day advent hoppists. They believed that every Sunday
should be spent hopping. They would hop to church, hop through the
service, then hop back home again.
LISTER: What was the idea behind that, then?
RIMMER: Well you see, they took the Bible literally. Adam and Eve; the
snake and the apple... Took it word for word. Unfortunately, their
version had a misprint. It was all based on 1 Corinthians 13, where it
says "Faith, hop and charity, and the greatest of these is hop." So
that's what they did. Every seventh day. I tell you, Sunday
lunchtimes were a nightmare. Hopping round the table, serving soup --
we all had to wear sou'esters and asbestos underpants.

I'm only surprised they didn't go the other way, and drink beer every sunday. Now that's a religion I could get into. The Catholics have never had enough wine in their chalice for me, and what are crackers without some cheese to top it off?

If it calls that to your mind it's because you are totally mistaken as to where I am coming from in reference to this subject.

BTW

You really believe that namecalling and ridicule have logical persuasive argumentative merit don't you? How sad!

 

[Jimbo07]

If it calls that to your mind it's because you are totally mistaken as to where I am coming from in reference to this subject.

...except that before post #22 you weren't specifically addressed. I don't know your position in particular, but I hadn't understood you to be a Biblical literalist. Am I mistaken?

 

[RobRoy]

If it calls that to your mind it's because you are totally mistaken as to where I am coming from in reference to this subject.

Ummm . . . I wasn't speaking to you at all. I was speaking to quixotecoyote, which is why I quoted his post directly.

BTW

You really believe that namecalling and ridicule have logical persuasive argumentative merit don't you? How sad!

Err . . . I don't recall naming any names or riddling and ridicules.

As for having "logical persuasive argumentative merit" I suppose I could have offered more information on how quixotecoyote's post triggered that Red Dwarf sense-memory, such as time, date, weather, location, witness depositions, etc. if that would suffice? Let me know.

 

[PBTree]

Very interestingly ironic way of saying things. Of course his assumptions are all skewed since they are describing post-Adamic fall conditions which are not atrributable to God. But in view of his typically profound unfamiliarity with the essentials of the subject-such ideas are to be expected.
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Sorry, not sure I understand this (bible dumb). Are you saying (based on the original theme of the thread), that cancer cells, cockroaches etc, weren't around prior to the two apple-eaters being chucked out of eden?

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Very interestingly ironic way of saying things. Of course his assumptions are all skewed since they are describing post-Adamic fall conditions which are not atrributable to God. But in view of his typically profound unfamiliarity with the essentials of the subject-such ideas are to be expected.

Ad Hoc.

BTW

Funny that you should mention the term idiot which is very close to the word fool.

Psalm 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Perhaps, but the wise man not only says it aloud, he realizes his heart isn't the center of conviousness, unlike the writer of the Psalms.

 

[quixotecoyote]

No truth or consequences ploy being attempted. Only a reminder that the sword cuts both ways in terms of categorizing people as idiots. Of course I didn't have to cite scripture-but I'm funny that way sometimes. : )

Do you disbelieve in the wisdom of post 23?

Remember, L13 of the Post 23 clearly states that would be foolish.

 

[SomeGuy]

If it calls that to your mind it's because you are totally mistaken as to where I am coming from in reference to this subject.

BTW

You really believe that namecalling and ridicule have logical persuasive argumentative merit don't you? How sad!

You accuse us of namecalling and ridicule after quoting a bit of scripture that basically says: people that don't believe in god are fools.


Prepostorous!

 

[Radrook]

You accuse us of namecalling and ridicule after quoting a bit of scripture that basically says: people that don't believe in god are fools.


Prepostorous!

The following letter to the editor appeared today in the Orlando Sentinel. At first, I was thinking "Another----------- idiot" and then..... Enjoy!!!:

Not at all. I accuse you of namecalling and ridicule after you namecall and ridicule.

BTW

The scripture was merely to show that from other people's standpoint the ones calling others idiots might be seen as idiots themselves and that calling other people idiots is really unnecessary. That was the motive for posting the scripture. Nothing more.

 

[Radrook]

Do you disbelieve in the wisdom of post 23?

Remember, L13 of the Post 23 clearly states that would be foolish.

Post 23 is irrelevant

 

[Radrook]

Sorry, not sure I understand this (bible dumb). Are you saying (based on the original theme of the thread), that cancer cells, cockroaches etc, weren't around prior to the two apple-eaters being chucked out of eden?

Christians do not believe nor teach that the original conditions were as they are now and that these present conditions are attributable to the original design. Hope that clears it up.

 

[Radrook]

...except that before post #22 you weren't specifically addressed. I don't know your position in particular, but I hadn't understood you to be a Biblical literalist. Am I mistaken?

Not specifically but indirectly perhaps? At least that's the way I perceived it then. If I was wrong then I apologize.

In any case, I was merely trying to point out that the argument in that article is flawed because it utilizes strawman. As for biblical literalist, that all depends on what that appellation encompasses from your particular viewpoint.

 

[Radrook]

Ummm . . . I wasn't speaking to you at all. I was speaking to quixotecoyote, which is why I quoted his post directly.



Err . . . I don't recall naming any names or riddling and ridicules.

As for having "logical persuasive argumentative merit" I suppose I could have offered more information on how quixotecoyote's post triggered that Red Dwarf sense-memory, such as time, date, weather, location, witness depositions, etc. if that would suffice? Let me know.

If I misunderstood you I sincerely apologize.

 

[Furi]

And LO there was post 23. And so did post 23 say, "Only fools shall say to themselves, 'I disbelieve in post 23,'" and therefore indeed, post 23 is the truth, the light, and the way.

while I can clearly see that post 23 has been written, it does not offer any definate proof that it should be taken as absolute law, a very quick browse around even on this forum found other examples of post 23, that make no such claims.

So are these other post 23s to be thrown out and handwaved off because of your worldview and belief that this is the correct version of events. What research have you done to check that this is the true post 23.

=^..^=
Atwentythreeist until sufficient proof to the validity of its claim has been offered

So for example if a man wants to drink a bottle of orange juice but some indeterminate event interacted with his consciousness and caused him to drink a bottle of poison instead, that would qualify, in your view, as free will?

You are still avoiding because you are concentrating on the "non-determined" part and ignoring that it must also be non-random.

Born to be Wild.

Fender or Gibson?

and off another forum

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[UnrepentantSinner]

Christians do not believe nor teach that the original conditions were as they are now and that these present conditions are attributable to the original design. Hope that clears it up.

Ad hoc is why you shouldn't make this argument. Hope the link clears that up.

 

[fuelair]

Very interestingly ironic way of saying things. Of course his assumptions are all skewed since they are describing post-Adamic fall conditions which are not atrributable to God. But in view of his typically profound unfamiliarity with the essentials of the subject-such ideas are to be expected.

BTW

Funny that you should mention the term idiot which is very close to the word fool.

Psalm 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

So, like the devil, you are fond of using scripture to "prove" a point. I said idiot, I meant idiot, if you prefer fool, so be it.