Elvis And Religion

Mark A. Siefert said:
As we asked you months ago when you started this inane thread...

...SO WHAT???
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If you think a thread is inane, why go into it. One could make an argument that it doesn't make sense to do so. Obviously some people found it interesting and worth their time to post in it.
 
DOC said:
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Actually according to one of Elvis's buddies (on a PBS special) -- one time at a concert (I believe it was at Notre Dame campus) -- a group of ladies held up a big banner at a concert that said "The King". Elvis saw it and said there is only one king, and that's Jesus Christ.

strathmeyer said:
Gee, you'd think if he really thought that, he'd have gotten everyone to stop calling him that, then.
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So according to your logic it would be highly unlikely for a person who recorded these songs:

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to have said there is only one King, Jesus Christ, at a "Notre Dame" college concert. And that I was making it up. If you really do believe that would you be willing to apologize if I could show you he said that at the concert.
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Strathmeyer didn't actually say that. He said that Elvis didn't stop people calling him "The King". And he didn't. People are still calling him that to this very day. If Elvis professed a belief that "there is only one King, etc." but didn't really try to stop his fans calling him this then don't you think that Elvis may have been something of a hypocrite?
 
Mojo said:
Strathmeyer didn't actually say that. He said that Elvis didn't stop people calling him "The King". And he didn't. People are still calling him that to this very day. If Elvis professed a belief that "there is only one King, etc." but didn't really try to stop his fans calling him this then don't you think that Elvis may have been something of a hypocrite?
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Even simpler answer - he was too stoned to care.
 
Surely we are living in the end times..

DOC said:
Oh Excuse me Elvis insisted on "Peace in the Valley" on Ed Sullivan not Amazing Grace.
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..DOC has admitted he made a mistake.
 
I'm waiting for DOC to give us examples of people that martyred themselves for their belief in Elvis.
 
DOC said:
If you think a thread is inane, why go into it. One could make an argument that it doesn't make sense to do so.
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And I could make an argument that religious stupidity (oops, sorry for the redundancy) needs to be smacked down and ground into powder where ever and when ever it slithers out from under its rock. Even when it's recycling the same pointless fallacies over and over and over.

DOC said:
Obviously some people found it interesting and worth their time to post in it.
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Did you actually READ the rest of the posts on this thread?

With the exception of your own posts and one by your fellow bible-humper, plumjam, everyone else essentially pointed in one form and degree or another that you're full of it.

Of course, ignoring reality is SOP for you and your ilk, isn't it?
 
DOC said:
If you think a thread is inane, why go into it. One could make an argument that it doesn't make sense to do so. Obviously some people found it interesting and worth their time to post in it.
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You still haven't answered the question. What is your point? Are you really saying that because Elvis was a Christian his fame is a verification of Christian beliefs? Seriously DOC, what is your point?
 
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Did I miss this somewhere? This is one of the oldest internet proofs:
Jesus said: "Love thy neighbor." (Matthew 22:39)
Elvis said: "Don't be cruel." (RCA, 1956)

Jesus is the Lord's shepherd.
Elvis dated Cybill Shepherd.

Jesus was part of the Trinity.
Elvis' first band was a trio.

Jesus walked on water. (Matthew 14:25)
Elvis surfed on water. (Blue Hawaii, Paramount, 1965)

Jesus' entourage, the Apostles, had 12 members.
Elvis' entourage, the Memphis Mafia, had 12 members.

Jesus was resurrected.
Elvis had the famous 1968 "comeback" TV special.

Jesus said, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink." (John 7:37)
Elvis said, "Drinks on me!" (Jailhouse Rock, MGM, 1957)

Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights.
Elvis had irregular eating habits. (e.g. 5 banana splits for breakfast)

Jesus is a Capricorn. (December 25)
Elvis is a Capricorn. (January 8)

Matthew was one of Jesus' many biographers. (The Gospel According to Matthew)
Neil Matthews was one of Elvis' many biographers. (Elvis: A Golden Tribute)

"[Jesus] appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow." (Matthew 28:3)
Elvis wore snow-white jumpsuits with lightning bolts.

Jesus lived in state of grace in a Near Eastern land.
Elvis lived in Graceland in a nearly eastern state.

Mary, an important woman in Jesus' life, had an Immaculate Conception.
Priscilla, an important woman in Elvis' life, went to Immaculate Conception High School.

Jesus made reference to a Canaanite woman, saying, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." (Matthew 15:26)
Elvis made reference to a woman, saying "You ain't nothing but a hound dog."

Jesus was first and foremost the Son of God.
Elvis first recorded with Sun Studios, which today are still considered to be his foremost recordings.

Jesus was the lamb of God.
Elvis had mutton chop sideburns.

Jesus' Father is everywhere.
Elvis' father was a drifter, and moved around quite a bit.

Jesus was a carpenter.
Elvis' favorite high school class was wood shop.

Jesus wore a crown of thorns in the style of royalty.
Elvis wore Royal Crown hair styler.

No one knows if Jesus had a middle name.
No one was really sure if Elvis' middle name was "Aron" or "Aaron".

Jesus is often depicted in pictures with a halo that looks like a gold plate.
Elvis' face is often depicted on a plate with gold trim and sold on TV.

Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone."
Elvis liked his sandwiches with peanut butter and bananas.

Jesus was regarded by some to have been an extraordinary prophet.
Elvis was regarded by some to have made an extraordinary profit.

http://www.mit.edu
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And besides, Christians have already claimed that god hates rock and roll, which is it?
http://www.av1611.org/rockdead.html
 
Kopji said:
Did I miss this somewhere? This is one of the oldest internet proofs:


And besides, Christians have already claimed that god hates rock and roll, which is it?
http://www.av1611.org/rockdead.html
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Well, that's good enough for me. I'm de-de-converting.


Oh, Holy Elvis, come into my heart and wash away my sins. I have transgressed by thinking that the Beatles were bigger than you. Forgive me.

In Elvis's name
A-men.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
As we asked you months ago when you started this inane thread...

...SO WHAT???
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I believe the point DOC is making is that even though Elvis was a man of deep christian faith, his faith couldn't save him from his personal demons, which resulted in drug abuse and death.

Indeed, it seems the lesson to learn is the christianity doesn't truly help anyone.
 
Mojo said:
If Elvis professed a belief that "there is only one King, etc." but didn't really try to stop his fans calling him this then don't you think that Elvis may have been something of a hypocrite?
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Not really, Christ said render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars and unto God the things that are God's. Notice one of his friends said this incident happened at a concert at Notre Dame, a Catholic University. Elvis probably thought in this setting at Notre Dame it would be appropriate to state his beliefs. There were probably a lot of Jewish fans and even atheist fans at some of his other concerts. Yes, Elvis probably felt the Notre Dame concert was the right place to state his beliefs.
 
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joobz said:
I believe the point DOC is making is that even though Elvis was a man of deep christian faith, his faith couldn't save him from his personal demons, which resulted in drug abuse and death.
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I never said Elvis was a man of "deep" Christian faith. His lifestyle bears that out. I believe Elvis was searching for God but never really found Him or true peace. Elvis was not a born again Christian.

I think Christ described the life of Elvis very well in the parable of the sower and the seeds in

the book of Matthew Chapter 13 vs. 1 -8


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On that day, Jesus went out of the house and sat down by the sea.
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Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat down, and the whole crowd stood along the shore.
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And he spoke to them at length in parables, saying: "A sower went out to sow.
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And as he sowed, some seed fell on the path, and birds came and ate it up.
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Some fell on rocky ground, where it had little soil. It sprang up at once because the soil was not deep,
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and when the sun rose it was scorched, and it withered for lack of roots.
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Some seed fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked it.
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But some seed fell on rich soil, and produced fruit, a hundred or sixty or thirty fold.

As Christ later said in that chapter, the seed represents the word of God. Elvis heard the word and was basically a good guy but the thorns of wealth and fame choked him.


joobz said:
Indeed, it seems the lesson to learn is the christianity doesn't truly help anyone.
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I've heard at least 100 testimonies in my life of people who have gotten off of drugs or had life changing experiences through the power of the gospel. I think that Elvis just got so famous at a young age that it was extremely difficult for him to change. He also had a lot of friends who were dependent on him for their livelihoods. Elvis was by no means perfect, but I think he instinctively knew there was something to this Christianity. He was just so choked by the thorns (fame and wealth) as Christ referred to them that he never reached his full potential in Christ. He did give a lot of people happiness though with his God given gift.

But I believe Elvis will be judged the same as all of us will be judged. As the Bible says, God is no respecter of persons.
 
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DOC said:
I've heard at least 100 testimonies in my life of people who have gotten off of drugs or had life changing experiences through the power of the gospel.
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Why are so many of your fellow Christians crackheads?

I've never met 100 junkies or ex-junkies...Is this a special Christian thing?

Are ex-druggies the best source for explaining the power of the gospel?

How long were these cokeheads addicted before Jesus payed attention?

Does he wait until they're face down, destitute, stinking and dribbling into a gutter or catch them early after a week or two?

Has Jesus got them on ignore?

Has DOC got me on ignore?

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DOC said:
Not really, Christ said render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars and unto God the things that are God's.
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Huh. So even Jesus supported the separation of Church and State. Who'd'a thunk it.

Notice one of his friends said this incident happened at a concert at Notre Dame, a Catholic University. Elvis probably thought in this setting at Notre Dame it would be appropriate to state his beliefs. There were probably a lot of Jewish fans and even atheist fans at some of his other concerts. Yes, Elvis probably felt the Notre Dame concert was the right place to state his beliefs.
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Odd place to do so, considering that Elvis was Pentecostal.
 
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DOC said:
I never said Elvis was a man of "deep" Christian faith. His lifestyle bears that out. I believe Elvis was searching for God but never really found Him or true peace. Elvis was not a born again Christian.
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So him believing in god


So, Elivs was destined to fail because of his fame and wealth?
DOC said:
I think Christ described the life of Elvis very well in the parable of the sower and the seeds in
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Some seed fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked it.
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Yet, this thorn was obssesed with gospel.
DOC said:
No, I just thought it was interesting how the "King of Rock and Roll" had such an obsession with Gospel Music.
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Gave credit to god for his talent
DOC said:
This website quotes Elvis as saying:

"I believe in the Bible. I believe that all good things come from God.…I don't believe I'd sing the way I do if God hadn't wanted me to. My voice is God's will, not mine."
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and knew who the "real king" was.
DOC said:
Yes, Elvis had his faults, but "the king" knew who "the Real King" was. Maybe that's one of the reasons God gave him such incredible talent. Oh and by the way he was also world class at obeying the "5th Commandment".
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Yet, despite this fervent faith in the lord, you still pronounce him weak because of the torns?

DOC said:
He was just so choked by the thorns (fame and wealth) as Christ referred to them that he never reached his full potential in Christ. He did give a lot of people happiness though with his God given gift.
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But others live with those "thorns" and leave good christian lives. Why did god allow him to be choked by them? Especially sinice he was doing god's work? Isn't the message there that no matter what you do, god will leave you high and dry?


And How do you explain the rich and famous* (those living in thorns) who do wonderful chartiable work without any christian influence? They lead enriching lives and work to enrich the lives of others. They seem to embody the ideals that christian claim to aspire to yet so often fail. The fact that they acheived such good seems to completely contradict the claim that jesus is "the way". Seems to me that there must be some other "seed" that produces a plant more wholesome and lifegiving that what christianity offers.

Examples include
*Brad and Angelina
and the two greatest philanthropists in american history are the atheists
Bill gates and Warren Buffet
 
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